RE: Teleconference on Friday [lime]

Dear Jorge,

 

thanks for your document!, now going to a meeting and then late lunch before ontolex, but hope to read it in time before the call (or I will sure go on it later).

Regarding your proposals:

1)      No objection on my side for including the Lexicalization on the core model. Just as a remark, the general trend is that, unless there is a large necessity for it, usually the data is not declaring “what it is all about” and just declares itself as an owl:Ontology. So far thus, only OWL does it..and partially skos, which is however a basic modelling language as well (based on OWL, but intended as a further layer for modeling), provides concept schemes, (still not “wrapping” the whole data). 
So, unless there is a specific reason for declaring a file as a Lexicon, we could leave it as metadata (much the same way a void:Dataset or void:LinkSet has no explicitly declared counterpart  in the data, being implicit in the content). However, still no strong objection against it.

2)      Regarding Lexicalizations, I would prefer to not use senses for the count. To avoid misunderstanding, I’m obviously not criticizing senses per se in the model, but just their use in a Lexicalization. To me, the Lexicalization should count the number of distinct <ontResource,LexicalEntries> pairs. Section 6 provides a detailed description for that.

 

Cheers,


Armando

 

From: Jorge Gracia [mailto:jgracia@fi.upm.es] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 12:02 PM
To: Armando Stellato
Cc: Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org
Subject: Re: Teleconference on Friday [lime]

 

Hi Armando/Manuel,

 

Thanks for the update on lime. I like section 2 "requirements" specially! The idea of having a separate "lexicalization" object is very attractive. Actually, a similar set of scenarios was also envisioned in our early discussions about lemon in the Monnet project, although we did not go much further with it. I am attaching an old document about it, maybe that helps in the current discussion.

 

Further, I would propose that the "Lexicalization" object will be included in the Ontolex core model. That is, as a way to group senses in the same way Lexicons group lexical entries. And then, the more fine grained and statistical information could go into the lime module itself. What do you think?

 

Regards,

Jorge

 

2014-05-15 18:17 GMT+02:00 Armando Stellato <stellato@info.uniroma2.it <mailto:stellato@info.uniroma2.it> >:

Hi Philipp,

 

Just a short recap from Manuel and me about the only part which to us seemed appended: the ratio/percentage vs count. We do not report anything about the model as, at best of our memories, there were no objections about the overall structure (which does not mean it is necessarily the final one, and it is still open for comments).

 

We thus updated the previous document with some considerations (also taken from the last ontolex call we had) and reported them in section: 5

Please, feel free to add more on the “integer side”, so we already have a basis for discussion tomorrow.

 

Cheers,

 

Armando and Manuel

 

 

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> Subject: Teleconference on Friday

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> Dear all,

> 

>    I would like to call for a telco on this Friday on our regular slot:

> 15:00 (CET).

> 

> The main goal is to discuss the metadata module and come to a conclusion.

> 

> I will send some decision points out before the meeting on Friday.

> 

> Access details can be found here as usual:

>  <https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2014.16.05,_15-16_pm_CET> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2014.16.05,

 <https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2014.16.05,_15-16_pm_CET> > _15-16_pm_CET

> 

> I look forward to talking to you on Friday.

> 

> Best regards,

> 

> Philipp.

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-- 
Jorge Gracia, PhD
Ontology Engineering Group
Artificial Intelligence Department
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
http://delicias.dia.fi.upm.es/~jgracia/