- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:36:19 +0200
- To: Armando Stellato <stellato@info.uniroma2.it>
- CC: 'Francis Bond' <bond@ieee.org>, 'John McCrae' <johnmccrae@gmail.com>, 'Alessandro Oltramari' <aoltrama@andrew.cmu.edu>, 'Gil FRANCOPOULO' <gil.francopoulo@wanadoo.fr>, 'Guido Vetere' <gvetere@it.ibm.com>, public-ontolex@w3.org, 'Guadalupe Aguado de Cea' <guadalupe.aguado@upm.es>
- Message-ID: <5238CB53.7010705@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Dear all, yes, I kind of was. The issue is that I will be travelling and not available in the next four weeks on Fridays. I know this is not optimal, but I can not change it. I propose that we work the next four weeks offline. I will do my best to coordinate all threads over email. Be prepared for an intense email discussion ;-) Regards, Philipp. Am 17.09.13 12:40, schrieb Armando Stellato: > > In case you were gathering info about presences for the next three > weeks to take a decision: > > Armando: surely on travel this week, probably not available next one, > ok from 4 on. > > Cheers, > > Armando > > *From:*Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de] > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:34 AM > *To:* Francis Bond > *Cc:* John McCrae; Alessandro Oltramari; Gil FRANCOPOULO; Guido > Vetere; public-ontolex@w3.org; Guadalupe Aguado de Cea > *Subject:* Ontolex Telco this week > > Dear all, > > first of all, a brief reminder that we will not have any ontolex > telco this week as many people were travelling. > > Actually, as it happens, I will be also travelling/busy on the next > three Fridays: on the 27th of September, on the 4th of October and on > the 11th of October. > > Paul: can you lead the telco on these days to further discuss the modules? > > An alternative is that we move the discussion to email for the next > three weeks. > > Regards, > > Philipp. > > Am 17.09.13 03:47, schrieb Francis Bond: > > I would also vote for keeping the name the same. I find having > multiple names for similar things much more confusing than calling > incremental improvements with the same name :-). > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:21 PM, John McCrae <johnmccrae@gmail.com > <mailto:johnmccrae@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I think Gil puts the issue quite well, renaming would be a > "fresh start". I just don't think we need a "fresh start" for > several reasons... firstly that the "lemon" brand is proving > quite successful, entirely due to the hard work of many > members of this group. > > Secondly, the model is not fundamentally new but builds on the > existing lemon core model, see attached diagram to illustrate > my point. I don't think there should be need for confusion > between the models as they are fundamentally iterations in the > same direction. > > Finally, looking to the future development of the model, I > first note we are a long way behind our original schedule. As > it seems that we have ended up more or less building on the > work of Lemon, I suggest we take this as a template for the > module work. i.e., take as a basis the existing modules in > Lemon (where extant) and then discuss how to improve them. > > Taking this in mind perhaps the best proposal would be that of > Aldo, where Lemon is used for the wider context of the model > created by the group and OntoLex used for this specific "core" > part of the model. Thus this core model would be "Lemon > OntoLex" and the modules would take names such as "Lemon > Syntax", "Lemon Metadata" (or "Lemon Lime") > > Regards, > > John > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Alessandro Oltramari > <aoltrama@andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:aoltrama@andrew.cmu.edu>> wrote: > > As mentioned in a previous message, I agree with Guido and > Gil's stance. > > Apologies for not calling in today. > > Best, > > Alessandro > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Gil FRANCOPOULO wrote: > > Dear all, > > I agree with Guido. > > The new model is broader, defined with different > people, under a different administrative umbrella, so > this is different. > > Using the name "lemon" is confusing. > > In the future, if somebody says "lemon", we need to > ask: what "lemon" are you talking about ? The old one > or the new one. > > Using the term "ontolex", means a fresh and clean > start, for new adventures... > > Best, > > Gil Francopoulo > > > > > Message du 13/09/13 14:45 > > De : "Guido Vetere" > > A : "public-ontolex@w3.org > <mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>" > > Copie à : "Philipp Cimiano" , "Guadalupe Aguado > de Cea" , johnmccrae@gmail.com > <mailto:johnmccrae@gmail.com> > > Objet : Re: ontolex telco tomorrow 15:00 CET > > > > Dear all, > > > > although, as Shakespeare, said "a rose by any > other name would smell as sweet", I think that > names matter. I think that keeping 'lemon' (or a > variant) would suggest that the work we are doing > is basically a follow-on of the Lemon initiative, > which, at the time the group has been established, > was not the case, at least in my understanding. > Hence, I think that keeping the original 'ontolex' > name is a better option. > > > > I'm unable to attend the call this evening, > sorry about that. > > > > Regards, > > > > Guido Vetere > > Manager, Center for Advanced Studies IBM Italia > > _________________________________________________ > > Rome Trento > > Via Sciangai 53 Via Sommarive 18 > > 00144 Roma, Italy 38123 Povo in Trento > > +39 (0)6 59662137 <tel:%2B39%20%280%296%2059662137> > > > > Mobile: +39 3357454658 <tel:%2B39%203357454658> > > _________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > *John McCrae * > > Sent by: johnmccrae@gmail.com > <mailto:johnmccrae@gmail.com> > > > 13/09/2013 11:43 > > > > To > > Guadalupe Aguado de Cea > > > > cc > > Philipp Cimiano , "public-ontolex@w3.org > <mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>" > > > > Subject > > Re: ontolex telco tomorrow 15:00 CET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I apologise I will also not be able to attend as > I am travelling today. I wanted to make a quick > couple of points about the naming of the model. > > > > Firstly, the model is not drastically new in > fact in terms of URIs 15 of the properties are > exactly the same as they are in the original > /lemon/ core where as only 9 are new > introductions, and 4 are not carried over from the > ontolex core (although these should be included in > modules). > > > > Also, I am here at RANLP and /lemon/ has been > mentioned in several talks including one of the > keynotes, at tutorials and many times in the > NLP&LOD workshop. Many people who I talked to > about the naming of the model seemed not keen > accept a change of name. > > > > For these two reasons I feel that we really > should to keep lemon in the name but would be > happy with Lemon2 or W3C-Lemon as a name > > > > Regards, > > John > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Guadalupe > Aguado de Cea <guadalupe.aguado@upm.es > <mailto:guadalupe.aguado@upm.es>> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I won't be able to join the telco as I have a > meeting in another town. > > As for the name of the model, the last 2 > suggestions proposed by Phillipp and Aldo: lemon2, > and lemon-W3C could be Ok, though I'm more > inclined to the first one, lemon2. Exactly for the > reasons given by Philipp. > > > > I know that Elena & Jorge will attend the telco, > so they'll tell me about the commitments and the > modules.. > > Best regards > > > > Lupe > > > > El 12/09/2013 14:38, Philipp Cimiano escribió: > > > > Dear all, > > > > this is a gentle reminder that we will have > our regular ontolex telco tomorrow Friday at the > regular time. > > > > See access details here: > http://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2013.13.09,_15-16_pm_CET > > > > The agenda from my side is as follows: > > > > 1) Modules: decide which modules need to be > developed and which use cases will drive them, fix > responsibles for module development > > 2) Name of the model: discuss different points > of view > > 3) Linking: what to link to > > > > I look forward to talking to you all on Friday. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Philipp. > > > > > > > > -- > > Guadalupe Aguado de Cea > > Departamento de Lingüística Aplicada > > Miembro del Ontology Engineering Group -OEG > > Facultad de Informática > > Universidad Politécnica de Madrid > > Campus de Montegancedo, sn > > 28660, Boadilla del Monte, Spain > > > > Home page: www.oeg-upm.net <http://www.oeg-upm.net/> > > e-mail: guadalupe.aguado@upm.es > <mailto:guadalupe.aguado@upm.es> > > Telef.: 34-91-3367415 > > > > > > > > > > > > IBM Italia S.p..A. > > > > Sede Legale: Circonvallazione Idroscalo - 20090 > Segrate (MI) > > Cap. 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