Re: ontolex telco tomorrow 15:00 CET

I would also vote for keeping the name the same.   I find having multiple
names for similar things much more confusing than calling incremental
improvements with the same name :-).


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:21 PM, John McCrae <johnmccrae@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think Gil puts the issue quite well, renaming would be a "fresh start".
> I just don't think we need a "fresh start" for several reasons... firstly
> that the "lemon" brand is proving quite successful, entirely due to the
> hard work of many members of this group.
>
> Secondly, the model is not fundamentally new but builds on the existing
> lemon core model, see attached diagram to illustrate my point. I don't
> think there should be need for confusion between the models as they are
> fundamentally iterations in the same direction.
>
> Finally, looking to the future development of the model, I first note we
> are a long way behind our original schedule. As it seems that we have ended
> up more or less building on the work of Lemon, I suggest we take this as a
> template for the module work. i.e., take as a basis the existing modules in
> Lemon (where extant) and then discuss how to improve them.
>
> Taking this in mind perhaps the best proposal would be that of Aldo, where
> Lemon is used for the wider context of the model created by the group and
> OntoLex used for this specific "core" part of the model. Thus this core
> model would be "Lemon OntoLex" and the modules would take names such as
> "Lemon Syntax", "Lemon Metadata" (or "Lemon Lime")
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Alessandro Oltramari <
> aoltrama@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
>> As mentioned in a previous message, I agree with Guido and Gil's stance.
>> Apologies for not calling in today.
>> Best,
>>
>> Alessandro
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Gil FRANCOPOULO wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>> I agree with Guido.
>>
>>
>> The new model is broader, defined with different people, under a
>> different administrative umbrella, so this is different.
>>
>>
>> Using the name "lemon" is confusing.
>>
>>
>> In the future, if somebody says "lemon", we need to ask: what "lemon" are
>> you talking about ? The old one or the new one.
>>
>>
>> Using the term "ontolex", means a fresh and clean start, for new
>> adventures...
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gil Francopoulo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Message du 13/09/13 14:45
>> > De : "Guido Vetere"
>> > A : "public-ontolex@w3.org"
>> > Copie à : "Philipp Cimiano" , "Guadalupe Aguado de Cea" ,
>> johnmccrae@gmail.com
>> > Objet : Re: ontolex telco tomorrow 15:00 CET
>> >
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > although, as Shakespeare, said "a rose by any other name would smell
>> as sweet", I think that names matter. I think that keeping 'lemon' (or a
>> variant) would suggest that the work we are doing is basically a follow-on
>> of the Lemon initiative, which, at the time the group has been established,
>> was not the case, at least in my understanding. Hence, I think that keeping
>> the original 'ontolex' name is a better option.
>> >
>> > I'm unable to attend the call this evening, sorry about that.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Guido Vetere
>> > Manager, Center for Advanced Studies IBM Italia
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>> > 13/09/2013 11:43
>>    To
>> Guadalupe Aguado de Cea
>> cc
>> Philipp Cimiano , "public-ontolex@w3.org"
>> Subject
>> Re: ontolex telco tomorrow 15:00 CET
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I apologise I will also not be able to attend as I am travelling
>> today. I wanted to make a quick couple of points about the naming of the
>> model.
>> >
>> > Firstly, the model is not drastically new in fact in terms of URIs 15
>> of the properties are exactly the same as they are in the original *lemon
>> * core where as only 9 are new introductions, and 4 are not carried over
>> from the ontolex core (although these should be included in modules).
>> >
>> > Also, I am here at RANLP and *lemon* has been mentioned in several
>> talks including one of the keynotes, at tutorials and many times in the
>> NLP&LOD workshop. Many people who I talked to about the naming of the model
>> seemed not keen accept a change of name.
>> >
>> > For these two reasons I feel that we really should to keep lemon in
>> the name but would be happy with Lemon2 or W3C-Lemon as a name
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Guadalupe Aguado de Cea <
>> guadalupe.aguado@upm.es> wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I won't be able to join the telco as I have a meeting in another town.
>> > As for the name of the model, the last 2 suggestions proposed by
>> Phillipp and Aldo: lemon2, and lemon-W3C could be Ok, though I'm more
>> inclined to the first one, lemon2. Exactly for the reasons given by Philipp.
>> >
>> > I know that Elena & Jorge will attend the telco, so they'll tell me
>> about the commitments and the modules..
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Lupe
>> >
>> > El 12/09/2013 14:38, Philipp Cimiano escribió:
>> >
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> >    this is a gentle reminder that we will have our regular ontolex
>> telco tomorrow Friday at the regular time.
>> >
>> > See access details here:
>> http://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2013.13.09,_15-16_pm_CET
>> >
>> > The agenda from my side is as follows:
>> >
>> > 1) Modules: decide which modules need to be developed and which use
>> cases will drive them, fix responsibles for module development
>> > 2) Name of the model: discuss different points of view
>> > 3) Linking: what to link to
>> >
>> > I look forward to talking to you all on Friday.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Philipp.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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