- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:15:08 +0100
- To: public-mwts@w3.org
Hi,
The minutes of our teleconf today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html
linked from
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/#news
and copied as text below. Thanks Till for scribing!
Dom
MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
27 Feb 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0024.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc
Attendees
Present
dom, Till, dmitri, Allen
Regrets
Andrea
Chair
Dom
Scribe
till
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging
2. [6]Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices
3. [7]Roadmap of deliverables
4. [8]Progress on scheduling next F2F
5. [9]Teleconf schedule change notice
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<dom> [11]Minutes of Feb 6th teleconf
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html
no additional agenda items
Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging
dom: recent release of xhtml mp testsuite
... good news, 200+ tests, nice starting point
... licensing still to be figured out
... volunteering for xhtml mp ts
<dom> ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
<dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing
system to the mailing list [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06
<dom> [14]Carmelo's testing framework
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/att-0029/mwi-test-framework.html
<dom> ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his
phone [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03
<dom> ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02
<dom> ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded
in [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04
<dom> ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded
in [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04
dom: analysis of css test suite reveals some problems, use of big
table
till: my analysis found that the quality of the tests isn't too bad
- 60 or 70 /100 as a mark
<dom> ... we would have issues with fonts or color effects, e.g.
some tests rely on having different fonts faces or sizes that are
not always available
<dom> ... the float tests rely on wide screens, making some tests
invalid on small screens
<dom> ... beside the big table, on some cases, there are means to
navigate from one test to the other, which is nice
<dom> ... the links to spec is sometimes given, but not always
<dom> ... also, some tests involve invalid styles (invalid markup
too?)
<dom> ... what is needed: make the tests consistent altogether, some
review and corrections
<dom> ... and address coverage
<dom> ... We can send a request to the CSS WG to see if they are
interested in reviews
<dom> ... and ask for cooperation
<dom> ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on
the test suite [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
dom: who would be interested in reviewing test cases?
<dom> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07
till: of advantage when the test cases provide navigational means
alle1: system as framework for easy generation of test results
dom: interesting
... absolutely needed to effective testing
alle1: wrapper to test pages to provide navigation
dom: yes, would make sense, but there is difficulty not to test the
actual test
alle1: wrapper available?
<dom> ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for
the test suites [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
alle1: use of frames/framesets possible?
till: use of frames/framesets should be avoided due to small screen
size
dom: everybody please send further ideas to dom and the public
mailing list
Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices
<dom> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on
authoring practices from content developers [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
[ONGOING]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08
<dom> [23]Proposed survey for mobile web developers
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0023.html
dom: proposal for survey sent out
alle1: looks fine
... how would survey outcome effect WG?
dom: many positive replies, do it
... few positive replies means a rethinking
... ok, will sent the survey to appropriate people and mailing lists
Roadmap of deliverables
dom: please provide me with further addresses asap, in particular
mobile development community
<dom> ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap with
a schedule [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05
<dom> [25]Roadmap of deliverables
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/#goals
dom: survey period longer as expected
... feed-back from internal review already there
internal means group-internal
dom: do we need more ua developers wrt feed-back, what they want,
how they would use testsuites
dsilaev: some of our developers might be interested
dom: important work what we already did, reviewing, commenting, etc.
... no additional comments on roadmap
... concerning framework, maybe the roadmap waas a bit too
optimistic
... collecting tests, review them, classify them would be our main
task
till: yes, postpone some of the items makes sense
dom: agreed
... will update the roadmap wrt to some postponed items
Progress on scheduling next F2F
dom: right now it doesn't make sense to meet
... don't have enough material available, and we're not finished
with our inital work, like review, etc.
till: do we have to pay attention to summer breaks?
dom: just need to ensure that we have enough participants, and
enough work to be discussed
till, alle1,dsilaev: agreed
<dom> RESOLUTION: we will schedule our next F2F when the need arises
- May F2F cancelled
Teleconf schedule change notice
dom: daylight saving time problems on different continents
... either leave time as it is in us, or leave it for europeans
<dom> RESOLUTION: we will meet on the US (8am PT) time on March 13
and 20
dom: other issues?
dsilaev: are there other testsuites of interests?
dom: waiting for feed-back from survey
... thank you, then
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for
the test suites [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his
phone [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing
system to the mailing list [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on
the test suite [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03
[28] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06
[29] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07
[31] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02
[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on
authoring practices from content developers [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08
[DONE] ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap
with a schedule [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded
in [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05
[35] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04
[End of minutes]
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