- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:23:26 +0100
- To: public-mwts@w3.org
Hi, The minutes of our teleconf last Tuesday are available at: http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html linked from the group home page and copied as text below. Dom Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference 6 Feb 2007 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0003.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc Attendees Present Carmelo, dom, Dmitri, Allen, Till, drooks, Andrea Regrets Chair Dom Scribe carmelo Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]survey of existing test suites for mobile web technologies 2. [6]Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices 3. [7]Progress on scheduling next F2F 4. [8]Teleconf * [9]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ survey of existing test suites for mobile web technologies Dom suggested starting with survey of test suites Andrea introduced himself and explained a bit about his work. Andrea and his company are interested on anything mobile. Andrea and his company developed first test suite for mobile devices David introduced himself as well. Dom started the discussion on test suite evaluation <dom> [10]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/matrix [10] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/matrix Any comment anyone on the matrix? <dom> ACTION: Dmitri to take SVG [recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [11] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05 Dmitri will send the report later today Dom - DOM Test suite if final at this stage can be a good candidate for packaging Dom attempted to run DOM Suite on a mobile device (phone) and did not worked Dom attempted to run the ECMA Script version of the suite Dom - with CSS there can be a limited set of fonts available on mibile devices Dom mentioned that very little information is available on the HTML test suite. OMA files may not be as available as W3'c and may present a problem Dom asked if any interest on this suites? Till - Opera is very interested on this Dom - will Opera be interested on using a package of the test suites? Till - yes, on repacking and making the test suites better Dom - What will be the next step? carmelo suggested to examine the tests themselves Dom - Run the tests on a mobile device. Till - Opera will have no problem with this Allen - Does not an available phone Carmelo Till and Dom will attempt to run the tests on a mobile device <lynne> I'm only on IRC Carmelo will attempt both, DOM and CSS <dom> ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his phone [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03] Till will concentrate on CSS <dom> ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] <dom> ACTION: Dmitri to try and see if he can run one of the test suites on his development board [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05] Dom - maybe on two weeks get feeback from mobile <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] Carmelo will send catalog framework later today Dom - once the test suite system is packaged, we should try to get feedback from user agents Till noted that we have little information about the coverage of the tests suites Dom - The DOM Suite is fairly complete I think, since generated directly from the spec. Carmelo - to take a closer look at CSS for coverage <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices <dom> "The group is aiming at developing in parallel a more general test suite for the mobile web that would focus on specific authoring difficulties or techniques. This test suite could allow both user agents developers to converge on specific behaviors for situations that are highlighted by the test suite, and also document for content authors what are the existing options to develop content that works across a broad range of devices and user agents. <dom> Similar efforts have been made in other contexts; for instance, the Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group analyzed the support of XHTML Basic 1.1 and CSS media types in current user agents, as well as the various behaviors of user agents in face of several encoding declarations techniques. <dom> The goal is to make this a very open process to allow to survey a wide range of authoring practices. To that end, the Working Group is looking at setting up a framework that would allow: <dom> * the Web community to submit interesting test cases for review and inclusion in the test suite <dom> * Mobile Web users that wish to do so to run through the various tests cases and report back easily which tests pass or failed on their browsers <dom> " Carmelo mentioned that a NIST Framework for submssion through NIST is not promising <dom> [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0002.htm l [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0002.html (above link on a possible framework for submission system) Dom suggested that a starting point can be by just simply creating a mailing list - it does presents a problem if a lot of submissions come in. Dom - suggested a we (w3c) build a frameowrk using a web interface to manage the submissions. Dom - it can also be reusable by others Carmelo asked how difficult will be to develop such a system Dom - Correct metadata needs to presented Till - not sure about whic action was assigned to him, usage of TS or framework availability at Opera. Till - partly yes on usage of TS Till - A bit more negative to it at this point Till - At least to their daily work Dom - Lets attempt to get feedback from other (Web content developers) Carmelo - Why would such a system not be of interest? Till - does not see much usage on Day to day operations Dom - feedback from Web developers is a must <dom> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] Dom -->Based on feedback, the we will see if a complex system is required for test management Dom - Any other comments/ nope (from all) Progress on scheduling next F2F <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to check if NIST can host a meeting in May [recorded in [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action09] <dom> [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action12] [21] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action12 Carmelo - Not check on it yet Till - May will be hard, but can do it later this year Till - Mid of June can work for them Dom - June would be too early if we have a F2F in May, but thanks for the offer to host later this year Allen - May may be possible, but the Java conference is on 2nd weekd of may Allen - 1st week of may works <dom> ACTION: Dom to figure out his availabilities in May [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [22] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11 Dom - To check his own availability <dom> ACTION: Dom to set up a questionnaire on setting up a meeting in May [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action11] Teleconf Dom - Away next week Carmeo to send agenda and chair the meeting Dom - Any scribe for next week? Carmelo to identify a scribe perhaps he can do it Andrea will not be around next week Carmelo- Lets touch down on Friday and make a decision then <dom> [adjourned] Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to check if NIST can host a meeting in May [recorded in [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his phone [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Dmitri to take SVG [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Dmitri to try and see if he can run one of the test suites on his development board [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to figure out his availabilities in May [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to set up a questionnaire on setting up a meeting in May [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [NEW] ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [28] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05 [30] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11 [End of minutes]
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