- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:23:26 +0100
- To: public-mwts@w3.org
Hi,
The minutes of our teleconf last Tuesday are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html
linked from the group home page and copied as text below.
Dom
Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference
6 Feb 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0003.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc
Attendees
Present
Carmelo, dom, Dmitri, Allen, Till, drooks, Andrea
Regrets
Chair
Dom
Scribe
carmelo
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]survey of existing test suites for mobile web
technologies
2. [6]Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices
3. [7]Progress on scheduling next F2F
4. [8]Teleconf
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
survey of existing test suites for mobile web technologies
Dom suggested starting with survey of test suites
Andrea introduced himself and explained a bit about his work.
Andrea and his company are interested on anything mobile.
Andrea and his company developed first test suite for mobile devices
David introduced himself as well.
Dom started the discussion on test suite evaluation
<dom> [10]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/matrix
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/matrix
Any comment anyone on the matrix?
<dom> ACTION: Dmitri to take SVG [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05
Dmitri will send the report later today
Dom - DOM Test suite if final at this stage
can be a good candidate for packaging
Dom attempted to run DOM Suite on a mobile device (phone) and did
not worked
Dom attempted to run the ECMA Script version of the suite
Dom - with CSS there can be a limited set of fonts available on
mibile devices
Dom mentioned that very little information is available on the HTML
test suite.
OMA files may not be as available as W3'c and may present a problem
Dom asked if any interest on this suites?
Till - Opera is very interested on this
Dom - will Opera be interested on using a package of the test
suites?
Till - yes, on repacking and making the test suites better
Dom - What will be the next step?
carmelo suggested to examine the tests themselves
Dom - Run the tests on a mobile device.
Till - Opera will have no problem with this
Allen - Does not an available phone
Carmelo Till and Dom will attempt to run the tests on a mobile
device
<lynne> I'm only on IRC
Carmelo will attempt both, DOM and CSS
<dom> ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones
[recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
<dom> ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his
phone [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
Till will concentrate on CSS
<dom> ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded
in [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
<dom> ACTION: Dmitri to try and see if he can run one of the test
suites on his development board [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
Dom - maybe on two weeks get feeback from mobile
<dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing
system to the mailing list [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
Carmelo will send catalog framework later today
Dom - once the test suite system is packaged, we should try to get
feedback from user agents
Till noted that we have little information about the coverage of the
tests suites
Dom - The DOM Suite is fairly complete I think, since generated
directly from the spec.
Carmelo - to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
<dom> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices
<dom> "The group is aiming at developing in parallel a more general
test suite for the mobile web that would focus on specific authoring
difficulties or techniques. This test suite could allow both user
agents developers to converge on specific behaviors for situations
that are highlighted by the test suite, and also document for
content authors what are the existing options to develop content
that works across a broad range of devices and user agents.
<dom> Similar efforts have been made in other contexts; for
instance, the Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group analyzed the
support of XHTML Basic 1.1 and CSS media types in current user
agents, as well as the various behaviors of user agents in face of
several encoding declarations techniques.
<dom> The goal is to make this a very open process to allow to
survey a wide range of authoring practices. To that end, the Working
Group is looking at setting up a framework that would allow:
<dom> * the Web community to submit interesting test cases for
review and inclusion in the test suite
<dom> * Mobile Web users that wish to do so to run through the
various tests cases and report back easily which tests pass or
failed on their browsers
<dom> "
Carmelo mentioned that a NIST Framework for submssion through NIST
is not promising
<dom>
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0002.htm
l
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0002.html
(above link on a possible framework for submission system)
Dom suggested that a starting point can be by just simply creating a
mailing list - it does presents a problem if a lot of submissions
come in.
Dom - suggested a we (w3c) build a frameowrk using a web interface
to manage the submissions.
Dom - it can also be reusable by others
Carmelo asked how difficult will be to develop such a system
Dom - Correct metadata needs to presented
Till - not sure about whic action was assigned to him, usage of TS
or framework availability at Opera.
Till - partly yes on usage of TS
Till - A bit more negative to it at this point
Till - At least to their daily work
Dom - Lets attempt to get feedback from other (Web content
developers)
Carmelo - Why would such a system not be of interest?
Till - does not see much usage on Day to day operations
Dom - feedback from Web developers is a must
<dom> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on
authoring practices from content developers [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
Dom -->Based on feedback, the we will see if a complex system is
required for test management
Dom - Any other comments/
nope (from all)
Progress on scheduling next F2F
<dom> ACTION: Carmelo to check if NIST can host a meeting in May
[recorded in [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
<dom> [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action12]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action12
Carmelo - Not check on it yet
Till - May will be hard, but can do it later this year
Till - Mid of June can work for them
Dom - June would be too early if we have a F2F in May, but thanks
for the offer to host later this year
Allen - May may be possible, but the Java conference is on 2nd weekd
of may
Allen - 1st week of may works
<dom> ACTION: Dom to figure out his availabilities in May [recorded
in [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11
Dom - To check his own availability
<dom> ACTION: Dom to set up a questionnaire on setting up a meeting
in May [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
Teleconf
Dom - Away next week
Carmeo to send agenda and chair the meeting
Dom - Any scribe for next week?
Carmelo to identify a scribe perhaps he can do it
Andrea will not be around next week
Carmelo- Lets touch down on Friday
and make a decision then
<dom> [adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to check if NIST can host a meeting in May
[recorded in [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his
phone [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing
system to the mailing list [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Dmitri to take SVG [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Dmitri to try and see if he can run one of the test
suites on his development board [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to figure out his availabilities in May [recorded
in [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on
authoring practices from content developers [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to set up a questionnaire on setting up a meeting
in May [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded
in [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05
[30] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11
[End of minutes]
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