Re: SMuFL: Additional symbols (soft accents)

Just my 2 cents. LilyPond features a glyph that looks like a
crescendo-decrescendo "<>" which it calls "espressivo" that acts like an
articulation (in terms of placement and attachment to notes), but it is not
resizable by itself. So, maybe the idea isn't all that unwarranted. Not
sure what the "right"solution is, though.

Best,
Abraham

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015, Tristan Jakob-Hoff <classic@goldbug.org.uk>
wrote:

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> Date: Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:01 AM -0700
> Subject: Re: SMuFL: Additional symbols (soft accents)
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> Brahms's 4th Symphony has some examples on the first page - first and
> second violins from bar 9 onwards.
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> I do think of these as dynamics rather than articulations myself. But I do
> wonder whether a variable width 'messa di voce' glyph might be desirable in
> any case, as positioning cresc and decresc hairpins so close together can
> be fiddly and yield unsatisfactory results.
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> *Tristan*
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> From: Daniel Spreadbury
> Sent: Tuesday 20 October 09:20
> Subject: Re: SMuFL: Additional symbols (soft accents)
> To: Kentaro Sato (Ken-P)
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> "Kentaro Sato (Ken-P)" <kentaro.sato@yahoo.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kentaro.sato@yahoo.com');>> wrote on
> 19/10/2015 11:25:01:
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> > As far as we are on a subject on potential additional font, I would
> > like to add font symbols in the attached PDF...
> > These are related what I call "a soft accent," that we also see
> > scores of Brahms and others. A soft accent could be said a cres and
> > a dim signs on a note.
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> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the "cresc. and dim. on a
> single note" is more properly known as a messa di voce. I don't believe it
> is normally considered a form of articulation, but rather as a form of
> dynamics; it is also typically not properly renderable using hairpins of a
> fixed width, and for this reason I have to date included only the single
> hairpin glyphs that were originally included in the Unicode Musical Symbols
> Range in SMuFL (since being a superset of that range was one of SMuFL's
> initial goals).
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> If you could cite some published scores (e.g. which Brahms pieces contain
> these kinds of articulations?), I would be very interested to see them and
> I'm certainly willing to explore this further.
>
> Daniel
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