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Re: NIF conversion sections

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:46:57 +0200
Message-ID: <CAL58czpGRMw8CfH-oba56xR+7vKP4syKRO2otOB+44cvK79SsQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>
Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
2012/10/14 Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>

> On 14.10.2012 8:17, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>
> > sorry for the late reply. If we drop NIF and have no other conversion to
> > RDF, we will need to change our charter again. See
> > http://www.w3.org/2012/09/mlw-lt-charter
> > "The MultilingualWeb-LT WG will assure that the metadata approach being
> > developed is allowing a conversion to RDF, to foster integration of
> > MultilingualWeb-LT metadata into the Semantic Web."
>
> I'm not proposing to drop NIF, I'm proposing to move it into a separate
> document produced by MLW-LT WG (most likely WG Note). I think that such
> form of publication will be perfectly in line with the current charter.
>
>
My interpretation of the charter would be different: that we specify a
normative feature for creating RDF.

What you write below makes sense in terms of how to better "tell the story"
- but that's a different aspect.

Best,

Felix


> > We had discussed RDFa as a helper for RDF conversion, but now know that i
> > doesn't work and already have done a re-chartering for that. So I have a
> > high motivation to keep NIF, since I don't see an alternative.
> >
> > The algorithm (STEP1-STEP7 in
> >
> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#conversion-to-nif
> > )
> > can be implemented actually as a very simple XSLT stylesheet
> >
> http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/its20-general-processor/tools/generate-nif.xsl
> > So I'm not sure what is so scary about that. Of course we can work on
> > making the algorihm easier to read.
>
> I meant that for uninformed reader (eg. HTML5 developer) NIF section
> will be scary as such person wouldn't know all the history behind
> devoloping such mapping, he will not understand why such complicated
> representation is used instead of simple mechanism used in XML/HTML.
>
> Also NIF is unknown term for 99,999999% of population so readers of our
> spec will fail to read our spec effectively as they will stop on each
> occurence of unknown NIF term, at least until they will decide to learn
> more about NIF.
>
>                                 Jirka
>
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Felix
> >
> > 2012/10/12 Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>
> >
> >> On 12.10.2012 17:46, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> >>
> >>> apologies for not replying to various mails today, I'm on a train trip.
> >>> Durin the trip I created the NIF conversion sections.
> >>
> >> Hi Felix,
> >>
> >> thanks for this. Given the novelty of NIF and fact that it hasn't yet
> >> proved itself as a best practice for solving problems in many real-life
> >> projects I suggest moving all NIF related things into separate document.
> >> It can be put back into ITS 2.0 spec later when it proves that it has
> >> interoperable implementations and it's used in fact.
> >>
> >> Many people in past months pushed for more simpler and easy to digest
> >> specification, especially as we should cater for HTML community. Yes,
> >> I'm known for not being overoptimistic about RDF, but even if try to be
> >> RDFminded, I still see mapping section as quite scary for average
> reader.
> >>
> >>                                         Jirka
> >>
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> >
> >
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-- 
Felix Sasaki
DFKI / W3C Fellow
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