Re: [ACTION-75]: Post mandate between XLIFF TC and MLW-LT to public list

2012/5/3 Dr. David Filip <David.Filip@ul.ie>

> Felix, there seems to be some grave misunderstanding, as I do not see any
> of the issues that you are rising as real..
>
> Let us make this liaison relationship an agenda point for tomorrow not to
> continue spreading confusion.
>

Please, don't. We have spent too much time on liaison discussions before
during working group calls. Please, let's use call time for technical
discussions.

I will follow up with you offline.

Regards,

Felix


>
> Just quickly, this is an OASIS XLIFF TC representative (liaison) mandate
> and it states what its liaison (Arle) should *strive* to achieve working in
> the group on behalf of the said committee. It does not bind the WG to
> anything it has not chartered or it does not add as a later binding
> consensus.
>


>
> Finally, the XLIFF 2.0 native representation of ITS 2.0 can only be
> created by XLIFF TC. However, it can only be created if XLIFF TC
> requirements are not ignored and a reasonable level of semantic match
> between the standards is secured early on.
>


> This is basically all that Arle's mandate on behallf of XLIFF TC within
> W3C MLW-LT WG states.
>
> Rgds
> dF
>
> Dr. David Filip
> =======================
> LRC | CNGL | LT-Web | CSIS
> University of Limerick, Ireland
> telephone: +353-6120-2781
> *cellphone: +353-86-0222-158*
> facsimile: +353-6120-2734
> mailto: david.filip@ul.ie
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> I strongly disagree with this liaison statement, David. This creates a
>> dependency between MLW-LT and XLIFF 2.0:
>>
>> "
>>
>> Most importantly, both groups should strive to have native representation
>> of  MultilingualWeb-LT metadata categories in XLIFF 2.0 "
>>
>>
>> I am not against creating such a representation - if we have time. But I
>> will not agree with creating a liaison mentioning it.
>>
>> I think there is still a misunderstanding about the W3C process:
>>
>> From the W3C process point of view, we have the liaison in the charter
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/12/mlw-lt-charter.html
>>
>> If you want to add anything to this liaison, e.g. wrt XLIFF 2.0, we need
>> to re-charter the group, including a W3C members review. I doubt that we
>> should spend time on this, and I think the liaison statement in the charter
>> is sufficient.
>>
>> Finally, I think we should invest our time in work on technical issues,
>> not long term liaison statements: As I said, I am not against the work on
>> the native representation of metadata in XLIFF 2.0 - if there is somebody
>> on both groups doing the work. If we don't have actual people doing that
>> work, no liaison statement will help us to move forward, but just block us.
>>
>> Felix
>>
>> 2012/5/3 Dr. David Filip <David.Filip@ul.ie>
>>
>> Hi all, this is the exact wording of a ballot that was approved by XLIFF
>>> TC with vast majority in an online TC meeting two weeks ago..
>>> Arle Lommel was appointed as OASIS XLIFF TC liaison in W3C MLW-LT with
>>> the mandate as described below:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>> Hereby I propose to create a formal liaison with MultilingualWeb-LT and
>>> nominate Arle Lommel to serve as the first XLIFF TC liaison on
>>> MultilingualWeb-LT. The common interest of the groups has been described in
>>> previous messages.(details of the proposal are below in this message).
>>>
>>> I am looking for a second.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> dF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a concise mandate for the liason (to be used in an electronic
>>> ballot if seconded)
>>>
>>> *Scope (work on and facilitation of the following):*
>>>
>>>    1. XLIFF TC providing business requirements to MultilingualWeb-LT,
>>>    so that semantic match between the standards is secured early on.
>>>    2. Optionally, representation of  MultilingualWeb-LT metadata using
>>>    XLIFF 1.2
>>>       1. Having a "profile" or mutual understanding on the best practice
>>>    3. Most importantly, both groups should strive to have native
>>>    representation of  MultilingualWeb-LT metadata categories in XLIFF 2.0
>>>
>>>
>>> *Responsibilities:*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> The liaison will report to the P&L SC, which in turn reports at least
>>> monthly to XLIFF TC.****
>>>
>>> The main duties of the liaison at MultilingualWeb-LT shall be:****
>>>
>>> 1) Ensure that XLIFF TC viewpoint (localization roundtrip) is well
>>> represented during the requirements gathering. ****
>>>
>>> 2) Follow up on queries and issues logged by XLIFF TC and its members
>>> to ensure that they are well addressed according to W3C WG process
>>> throughout draft, test suit, till final recommendation.****
>>>
>>> 3) Identify and promote opportunities for common non-normative best
>>> practice notes.
>>>
>>> Dr. David Filip
>>> =======================
>>> LRC | CNGL | LT-Web | CSIS
>>> University of Limerick, Ireland
>>> telephone: +353-6120-2781
>>> *cellphone: +353-86-0222-158*
>>> facsimile: +353-6120-2734
>>> mailto: david.filip@ul.ie
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Felix Sasaki
>> DFKI / W3C Fellow
>>
>>
>


-- 
Felix Sasaki
DFKI / W3C Fellow