Re: [All] ITS 2.0 first draft, please review by Thursday

2012/6/20 Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>

>  Hi Felix,
> Just to be clear and properly synchronised, by November 2012, for example,
> do we mean the beginning or the end of November?
>

That we can decide on our own.


>
> So the key point is that all our technical specification, implementation
> and testing work must be completed by March, i.e. we really need to focus
> any effort we have planned for MLW-LT in the period from now to March'13.
>

Exactly. As for the "working mode", please have a look at the charter
http://www.w3.org/2011/12/mlw-lt-charter.html
"Effective participation to MultilingualWeb-LT Working Group is expected to
consume one work day per week for each participant"
That does not mean "working on MLW-LT on Monday only", but rather
"allocating each day about an hour to follow discussions, do action items,
help to resolve issues etc.". It's esp. important that the implementors use
this time to bring their experience to the working group - that experience
should drive our process.

Felix


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> cheers,
> Dave
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> On 19/06/2012 17:47, Felix Sasaki wrote:
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> Hi Moritz,
>
>  the W3C process works on the basis of "if people don't object, we move
> forward". For important steps like finalizing the standard, there is a lot
> of time to review things. See the timeline described at
> http://www.w3.org/2011/12/mlw-lt-charter.html
> 2.2 Milestones. You need to put these dates into your calendar:
> - May 2012: publish a first draft of ITS .20. This is what we are doing
> now. If you don't have time to review the draft, that's fine - there are
> plenty of opportunities to update it later.
> - November 2012: publish a last call draft. This is the most serious
> deadline: the draft needs to be 100% feature complete. That includes
> detailed definitions of features, that is having "empty" sections like
>
> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#Domain
> filled in like
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> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#terminology
> with consensus of the whole group. Please put this deadline into your
> calendar with a red pen: by November your company and all partners need to
> work on getting consensus.
> - Before November 2012, btw, we will publish a lot of updated working
> drafts, just to demonstrate change to the wider public.
> - For the other deadlines after November: CR means implementation testing,
> PR means a final view on the document from the W3C membership. These are
> serious deadlines too, but again there is more time.
>
>  So you and the other participants should always have the charter in
> mind, that's it.
>
> 2012/6/19 Moritz Hellwig <Moritz.Hellwig@cocomore.com>
>
>>  Hello Felix,
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>> I’ll try to look at it tomorrow, but a three-day deadline to check and
>> revise such a document is a bit short notice.
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>
>  Why do you want to read the whole document? We said since about 1/2 a
> year ago that we will create a successor of ITS 1.0 - and in the mail at
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jun/0073.html
> I sent out the diff to ITS 1.0. I am sure that you took the time and had a
> look at ITS 1.0; so now you only need to look at the diff
> http://tinyurl.com/boedr9c
>
>
>>   If you have more such deadlines in mind for the future, could you
>> provide dates for that.
>>
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>  The dates for publications of updated working drafts will continue to
> come on a short notice, with about a week notice. Important is that you
> have a look at the DIFF and the list of changes.
>
>
>>  A list of dates would be enough for me to put in my calendar.
>>
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>  See above, we will only have the "global" dates.
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>> I think you know the W3C process more than anybody else in the consortium
>> so it would be great if you could maybe clarify all these deadlines, how
>> they work, what the next phase means for the draft / project and so on. I
>> think this would also help the other LT-Web partners to understand how the
>> process works as most of the members do not know it at all.
>>
>
>  Does above explanation help you? If not, please let me know, I'm more
> than happy to provide more info.
>
>  Best,
>
>  Felix
>
>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Moritz
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org]
>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 18. Juni 2012 03:09
>> *An:* public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>> *Betreff:* [All] ITS 2.0 first draft, please review by Thursday
>>
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>>
>> Hi all,
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>> after the great success of our workshop last week, let's go into the next
>> round :)
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>> See the editors copy of ITS 2.0 at
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>> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html
>>
>> and, not in the editors copy, the status section at
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>> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/TR-version/#status
>>
>> ITS 2.0 is based on ITS 1.0, see the changes done so far at
>>
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>> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#revisionlog
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>> I am sure I forgot *a lot*, but we want to get a first draft out soon, so
>> this should be a basis. By Thursday, please reply *to this thread* and
>>
>> - Let me know what to change
>>
>> - Propose additions (paragraphs, sections etc.), if possible with
>> detailed wording
>>
>> I will then implement your proposals on Friday and issue a call for
>> consensus on Monday next week, so that we can publish 28 July.
>>
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>>
>> What we need from now on (not necessarily for the first publication) are:
>>
>> - Test data, which serves also as examples, see e.g.
>> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#EX-term-local-html-1
>>
>>
>> - Descriptions of the data categories, following the approach of the ITS
>> 1.0 existing ones. Again, detailed wording is very much appreciated
>>
>> - Detailed wordings for all our issues we resolved already, e.g. the
>> algorithms for generating RDFa / NIF, the query language attribute etc.
>>
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>>
>> Thanks a lot for your contributions in advance! A word at Arle, Dave and
>> Jirka: I will come back to you offline about editing - as Jirka knows, the
>> setup is based on XML, for the sake of coherence etc. But you will get used
>> to that soon, I'm sure.
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>> Best,
>>
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>> Felix
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>> --
>> Felix Sasaki
>>
>> DFKI / W3C Fellow
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>  --
> Felix Sasaki
> DFKI / W3C Fellow
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Felix Sasaki
DFKI / W3C Fellow