Re: MATF Minutes October 29, 2020

belated regrets, fighting deadline - will read minutes

Am 29.10.2020 um 16:55 schrieb Kim Patch:
> *MATF Minutes October 29, 2020
> *
> *Link: https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-mobile-a11y-minutes.html*
> *
> Full text of minutes:*
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>   Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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>     29 Oct 2020
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>     Attendees
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> Present
>     JakeAbma, Kim, Sukriti
> Regrets
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> Chair
>     Kimberly_Patch
> Scribe
>     Kim_patch
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>
>     Contents
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>   * Topics
>     <https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#agenda>
>   * Summary of Action Items
>     <https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
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>   * Summary of Resolutions
>     <https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>
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> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/1432
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> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_EHFVE-p4jEtKFa2jMEUruSvu6iv-Vt7UxRW9SrHTCQ/edit#heading=h.tuvbez1itgj0
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> Jake: current wording doesn't prevent overlapping targets and 
> overlapping targets would make target size smaller
> ... this is not the original intent – if the target spacing is 
> overlapping it's 18, not 24
> ... because it says the target and the nearest edge of the closest 
> target. You can end up with targets of 8 x 8 pixels and you need to 
> add it on top because four plus eight is 12, but then they are only 16 
> pixels.
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> Sukriti: but if we don't allow spacing to be part of this we 
> dincentivize that behavior. I really think we should go with a 24 
> pixel version of the AAA version
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> Jake: the issue is that breaks a lot of webpages.
>
> Sukriti: the other counterargument that people were making is 24 is 
> not enough. We could say to keep it online that spacing cannot 
> overlap. It becomes a tough thing to explain within an already complex 
> – center of the target.
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> Jake: the disadvantage of the 24 pixel will be all these links need to 
> have a lot more padding four links that aren't part of a sentence or 
> block of text
> ... the other option, they don't need padding the only thing that they 
> need is to have a margin top of eight pixels. You leave those targets 
> alone, but you need to create way more margin. In the other case you 
> need to create bigger target areas. The result is the same but the way 
> to adjust everything is completely different.
> ... although we would like the 24 the other one might work better 
> because it doesn't require as much to be adjusted
> ... target 18 high you do not have to do anything about it in the 
> second version, but if there is no other target around you do not need 
> to change it in the second version
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> Sukriti: if -looking is not an issue just hitting a target, that makes 
> sense
> ... how can we explain this well
>
> Added overlapping to address this issue
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> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_EHFVE-p4jEtKFa2jMEUruSvu6iv-Vt7UxRW9SrHTCQ/edit#heading=h.tuvbez1itgj0
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> <scribe> *ACTION:* Sukriti will send note to Alastair about the change
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> <scribe> *ACTION:* Sukriti will send note to Alastair about the change
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>     Summary of Action Items
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> *[NEW]* *ACTION:* Sukriti will send note to Alastair about the change
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>     Summary of Resolutions
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> [End of minutes]
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