- From: Kim Patch <kim@redstartsystems.com>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:09:32 -0500
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*MATF Minutes 16 February 2017 link: *
*https://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-mobile-a11y-minutes.html***
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Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
16 Feb 2017
See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-mobile-a11y-irc>
Attendees
Present
Kathy, present, shadi, jon_avila, Kim, chriscm, Detlev, Jatin
Regrets
Chair
Kathleen_Wahlbin
Scribe
Kim
Contents
* Topics <https://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#agenda>
1. proposal about SCs and editors draft
<https://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#item01>
* Summary of Action Items
<https://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
* Summary of Resolutions
<https://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>
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<Kathy>
https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AMATF
proposal about SCs and editors draft
Kathy: going through proposals picking 10 that are at highest level of
maturity to working group by end of day today to be included. Focus of
this call to go through those items and see which ones we feel most
strongly about. There are a few that we do have pull requests out already.
... when they going to pull requests they get a new number pull requests
already device sensoris 138
... other ones are single key shortcuts, touch with assistive
technology, pointer gestures, no accidental activation and device
sensors, change of content
... the ones we don't have pull requests on are orientation, target
size, pointer, concurrent mechanism (pointer, concurrent mechanism may
be can differ for now will take more significant work to get them
finalized)
... pointers with additional sensors which is the same basically as
device sensors
... also speech input one and noninterference of AT
... two I was talking about for Detlev with is 62 and 61, pointer with
sensors, pointer with additional gestures
Detlev: I don't have them now but I can't assign myself
Kathy: I can't assign either
<Jatin> +present
Kathy: the big question is which of these do we feel strongly about
putting into the first release and which ones are we okay with not
having in there
... 10 total six already have four requests
... orientation and target size are almost done 70 and 60.
... Pointer and concurrent mechanism I don't think we should worry about
getting in significant comments
Detlev: keyboard one maybe could be covered with note
Kathy: I agree we could say that that one is something that we're going
to do later, we visit for silver
... that leaves us pointer in puts additional sensors, speech
<Jatin> can you please post the SC link?
<Kathy> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/pull/132
Kathy: this is pointer gestures
Shadi: use widget called assignees to assign are you seeing that
Detlev: for me it looks like read-only information
Shadi: click assignees I can assign
<Kathy> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/pull/132
Detlev: tap right next to issues is pull request
... tricky thing from the testing point of view is you couldn't test
this without having a mobile device
Kathy: isn't that no different than having a desktop or laptop to work
with a keyboard
Detlev: it changes the game they have to bring up something on mobile
device, maybe several
Kim: it's exactly what we want to encourage
Chris: if you want to support mobile devices you have to test on mobile
devices that doesn't seem like a big issue to me
Kathy: speech input and noninterference with assistive technology those
are the two remaining ones
... noninterference assigned to Josh
... we've taken out pointer, concurrent mechanisms and keyboard with AT
Kim: should have testers that can look across technologies
Kathy: noninterference you don't need to be extra with everything
Detlev: like web design isn't using certain keyboard shortcuts because
they know it's needed for AT
Kathy: big example here use of role equals application
Detlev: that's one technique
Kathy: we could put this one in and put a note about it being
potentially and get people's feedback and asked for a wider thing
... Lisa had suggested that this could be merged in with standard APIs
number 46
Chris: I was reading through standardized APIs 46 short text at the
top doesn't seem to match up but bottom description matches up perfectly
Jon: my feeling is noninterference in there now is narrow so there does
need to be something in there. but I do hear people say that the user
agent issue. I've run into issues in the past where the page had too
many elements so not responsive to AT
Chris: there's very little about speech across the board, where the
noninterference just trying to broaden
<chriscm> Sorry all, have to drop off!
<Kathy> Single key shortcut alternative Change of content Touch with
Assistive Technology Pointer gestures No Accidental Activation Device
sensors Orientation Target Size Pointer inputs with additional sensors
Speech Input
Kathy: here's the list of 10
<Kathy> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/2
This one has a pull request David put out there, we looked at it and
commented it in the mobile task force. That was included in our 10
because it had a label of mobile in it, but it's not really a mobile
one. So we could add noninterference of AT because that is not really a
mobile one
Kathy: does anyone have objections to this list of 10?
... that leaves out pointer, concurrent input mechanism, keyboard with
AT and noninterference of AT would be left out just at this time. they
could all get in later
no objections
Kathy: I will go ahead and submit these to Andrew and Josh
... we don't have anybody doing speech input right now. Jon, could you
do the pull request on it?
Jon: I can do the pull request, but not anything else on it
Kathy: Kim and I will try to keep up with comments on it if there are
<Kathy> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/68
Kathy: speech input number 68
... is there anything in orientation that's here still outstanding?
Jon: 4 issue was notification of change versus not clouding the issue by
putting that in there as well
Kathy: so I think we're in good shape for these 10
... does anybody have any concerns about comments on any of these 10
... important to look at these as a whole
... proposal that just came out to put SCs in working draft, marking as
such, this would encourage comment
... what I heard from Andrew is just because something doesn't get into
the first public working draft does not mean that it can't be added in later
Shadi: my hope is that it will be linked there are other ideas out
there and maybe include links to github
Kathy: this is one way to move forward. We've got one more meeting
before CSUN
Jon: yes especially if you can also get a link in where other things
are being discussed
+1 to a link
Jatin: 2.1.1 keyboard interfaces
Kathy: no change to that. We have success criteria that were proposed
relating to touch touch with AT, target size, pointer gestures,
pointers with additional sensors, all related
Jatin: different methods of input keyboard still applicable?
Jon: we are still requiring that keyboard interface be present doesn't
have to be a physical keyboard. As an example in iOS you can turn on
voiceover and turn on speech and iOS has a sticky key feature. By using
that voiceover feature you can then access the device with the keyboard
using voiceover proved that it can be done through the keyboard
interface even though it's not...
... supported...
... without the ATrunning.
... it needs to be there in order to support a wide variety of assistive
technologies. We also want to be supported with assistive technologies.
multiple interfaces available you don't have to carry a keyboard so
users can choose what works best for them
Kathy: are we saying we are recommending having a link or an appendix
with all the other SCs, or to make a first draft on github so people can
comment on them?
Jon: definitely a link maybe not an appendix. But in my opinion I
would like to see a section here are some ideas then we could get
more feedback. Because a lot of people are not going to follow the link.
But I'm not sure there is agreement on that
Kathy: making note about link
... I'll send out this list of 10 items to Josh. It looks like there's
support for this. Thanks for all your help
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
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