Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP > MAWG

Hi Martin,

I have implemented option 2). Attached is a new version of the XMP related
files. Thierry, could you upload these?

Thanks,

Felix

2011/9/19 Höffernig, Martin <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>

> Dear Felix,****
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> Since time-related datatypes  have to be used for date properties [1], I
> would choose option 1 or option 2.****
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> [1]:
> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/PR/#ont-owl
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> Best,****
>
> Martin****
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> *Von:* felix.sasaki@googlemail.com [mailto:felix.sasaki@googlemail.com] *Im
> Auftrag von *Felix Sasaki
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 15. September 2011 16:42
> *An:* Höffernig, Martin
> *Cc:* public-media-annotation@w3.org
> *Betreff:* Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP > MAWG****
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> Hi Martin,****
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> this is on purpose. The values are not part of the lexical space of
> time-related datatypes in XML Schema. At****
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> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to-mawg.xsl
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> I have created a function my:checkDateDataType, to deal with some of these
> values that occurred in the XMP example files. But the fallback is always
> that if no adequate datatype is found, I go to a string datatype.****
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> I see two options:****
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> 1) Change the input data so that it contains only XML Schema dateTime
> compatible values****
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> 2) Extend my:checkDateDataType so that it deals with the two problematic
> values and converts them to dateTime values****
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> 3) Leave everything as is****
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> My preference would be 2) or 3). 3) Would reflect reality most, at least
> given the XMP examples I have. Any thoughts?****
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> Felix****
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> 2011/9/15 Höffernig, Martin <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>****
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> Dear Felix,****
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> your example looks very good now. ****
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> However, there is one thing left I would like to point your attention to:*
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> There are two ma:date values with datatype xsd:string ("2010-12-13T12:59:
> 59.12345+02:00"^^xsd:string and "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:string). A
> time-related datatype would be better at this point.****
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>  ****
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> Best,****
>
> Martin****
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>  ****
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> *Von:* felix.sasaki@googlemail.com [mailto:felix.sasaki@googlemail.com] *Im
> Auftrag von *Felix Sasaki
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 13. September 2011 15:11
> *An:* Thierry Michel; Höffernig, Martin; public-media-annotation@w3.org***
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> *Betreff:* Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP > MAWG****
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> Thierry, Martin, all,****
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> I implemented Martin's comments:****
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> - input file with only one creation date value
> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml*
> ***
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> - XSLT transformation that solves the issues with multiple labels for
> ma:hasLanguage and ma:hasPolicy
> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to-mawg.xsl
> ****
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> - output in RDF/XML
> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-by-xslt.xml
> ****
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> - output in TTL
> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-by-xslt.ttl
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> Regards,****
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> Felix****
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> 2011/9/12 Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>****
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> Sorry, Thierry, I don't remember the discussion with Werner  in detail.
> There is no label and no bag in ****
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> > ma:date "2009"^^xsd:gYear,
> > "2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00"^^xsd:dateTime,
> > "2010-12"^^xsd:gYearMonth,
> > "2010-12-13T12:59:59.12345+02:00"^^xsd:string,
> > "2010-12-23T14:42:31"^^xsd:dateTime,
> > "2010-12-31"^^xsd:date,
> > "2010-12-31T11:59:00"^^xsd:dateTime,
> > "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:string;****
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>  ****
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> these are plain RDF statements. Could you clarify how to deal with the
> above?****
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> Thanks,****
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> Felix****
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> 2011/9/12 Thierry Michel <tmichel@w3.org>****
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> Felix,
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> It is the same issue for all;
> This was already discussed with Werner.
> you should use  multiple time the same labels or avoid bags in your
> example.
>
>
> Thierry****
>
> > Dear Martin, all,
> >
> > in addition to your observations and suggestions - which all make sense
> -,
> > let me mention that there are other cases of multiple examples of the
> same
> > kind of information:
> > * ma:date:
> > ma:date "2009"^^xsd:gYear,
> > "2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00"^^xsd:dateTime,
> > "2010-12"^^xsd:gYearMonth,
> > "2010-12-13T12:59:59.12345+02:00"^^xsd:string,
> > "2010-12-23T14:42:31"^^xsd:dateTime,
> > "2010-12-31"^^xsd:date,
> > "2010-12-31T11:59:00"^^xsd:dateTime,
> > "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:string;
> > * ma:title:
> > ma:title "dc:title (de-DE)"^^xsd:string,
> > "dc:title (en-US)"^^xsd:string,
> > "dc:title (x-default)"^^xsd:string,
> > "xmpDM:album"^^xsd:string.
> > In XMP it is clear where the information is coming from, e.g. from dublin
> > core within XM Por the xmpDM namespace. The mawg values of course don't
> > express provenance. So an application does not know whether it should
> > choose
> > e.g.  2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00 or 2009 is the date value.
> >
> > I don't know how to solve this problem but just wanted you to be aware of
> > it. Martin, all, please let me know how you want to proceed, for
> > ma:hasLanguage, ma:hasPolicy, ma:date, ma:creationDate and ma:title.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Felix
> >
> > 2011/9/12 Höffernig, Martin <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>
> >
> >> Dear Felix, Thierry, all
> >>
> >> I have finished the recheck of the latest XMP example.
> >> This example has passed the consistency check using Protege and Pellet.
> >>
> >> However, I have some remarks which should be discussed.
> >>
> >> The value of ma:hasLanguage is a rescource containing three different
> >> labels:
> >> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
> >>         <rdfs:label>en</rdfs:label>
> >>         <rdfs:label>de-DE</rdfs:label>
> >>         <rdfs:label>de-DE-bayrisch</rdfs:label>
> >> </ma:hasLanguage>
> >>
> >> Since no cardinality restrictions has been defined in the MA ontology,
> >> using multiple labels for the same resoure would be possible.
> >> However, the question is if the above usage of mulitpe labels is correct
> >> in
> >> the MA ontology context?
> >>
> >> I would suggest to avoid the mulitple labels for the same resource and
> >> describe multiple labels in the following way:
> >> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
> >>         <rdfs:label>en</rdfs:label>
> >> </ma:hasLanguage>
> >> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
> >>         <rdfs:label>de-DE</rdfs:label>
> >> </ma:hasLanguage>
> >> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
> >>         <rdfs:label>de-DE-bayrisch</rdfs:label>
> >> </ma:hasLanguage>
> >>
> >> Another resource (value of ma:hasPolicy) contains multiple labels
> >> modelled
> >> in the same as above.
> >>
> >> Furthermore, the media resource contains two different creation dates.
> >> From my side of view there can be only one creation date.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> > Von: Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org]
> >> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 08. September 2011 20:03
> >> > An: Felix Sasaki; Höffernig, Martin
> >> > Cc: public-media-annotation@w3.org; Frank Biederich
> >> > Betreff: Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP > MAWG
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Felix, Martin,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I have added your 2 files (XML and RDF) into the testsuite.
> >> > (replace the former one.
> >> > Note that in the RDF I have added a comment as mentuionned in the
> >> > guidelines.
> >> >
> >> > I have also added your Stylesheet for conversion of XMP (canonical
> >> > form)
> >> > to instance of "Ontology for Media Resources 1.0" in the list of
> >> > Implementations/demonstrators
> >> >
> >> > see
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/testsuite
> >> > .html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The last bit is that I have removed the former TTL file for XMP. Maybe
> >> > you would like to provide a new one?
> >> >
> >> > Martin could you check the RDF file for XMP ?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks a lot for your input.
> >> >
> >> > Bets,
> >> >
> >> > thierry
> >> >
> >> > Le 08/09/2011 12:25, Felix Sasaki a écrit :
> >> > > Thierry, all,
> >> > >
> >> > > I have made a slight update of the XMP examples. Attached ZIP file
> >> > contains
> >> > > a new input file MAWG_test_canonical.xml, and an output
> >> > > file MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-by-xslt.xmp
> >> > > can you replace input and output in the CR table for the ontology
> >> > document
> >> > > accordingly?
> >> > >
> >> > > The ZIP file also contains an XSLT stylesheet that I used for the
> >> > generation
> >> > > of the output file. Input needs to be XMP *in canonical form* (a
> >> > certain
> >> > > kind of XMP serialization). From my understanding an XMP processor
> >> > needs to
> >> > > be capable to produce that form. See the stylesheet also at
> >> > > http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to-
> >> > mawg.xsl
> >> > > Can you add the stylesheet (or maybe rather the link to it) to the
> >> > mapping
> >> > > tool list of implementations / demonstrators for the ontology? Many
> >> > thanks
> >> > > in advance.
> >> > >
> >> > >   I have put Frank Biederich from Adobe into the loop so that he is
> >> > aware of
> >> > > this.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Felix
> >> > >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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