RE: Collection of examples suggestion

Hi Han,



I’m not expert in MathJax so someone else would be better to suggest what
are meaningful examples.



We would like to rely only on GitHub and avoid a strong dependency on
external tools (unless it is part of the example). Even we might decide
that JavaScript is not part of any solution we propose at this CG.



jsfiddle integrates smoothly with GitHub. See
http://doc.jsfiddle.net/use/github_read.html



Dani



*From:* yhwhan@gmail.com [mailto:yhwhan@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Han
*Sent:* martes, 3 de mayo de 2016 4:19
*To:* Peter Krautzberger
*Cc:* Daniel Marques; Moritz Schubotz; public-mathonw.
*Subject:* Re: Collection of examples suggestion



If I'm understanding correctly what Daniel's talking about, there should be
at least 3 MathJax examples, one for each of important output jax:
CommonHTML (which I think is the most useful), HTML-CSS, and SVG, possibly
NativeMML and PreviewHTML as well.



My only concern is whether each example should follow a fixed template or
how they should be sort out.


Suggestion: fixed template, one basic example and one advanced one, like:
http://jsbin.com/mofuqo/edit?html,output



The basic example is the quadratic formula, obviously; I believe it works
well in pretty much every web math renderer, images or HTML. I believe the
advanced example (from here <https://www.w3.org/TR/arabic-math/#Comparison>)
works well in KaTeX, works well with the 3 important MathJax output jax
(CommonHTML, HTML-CSS, SVG), is displayed but looks bad/has minor rendering
bugs with PreviewHTML or with NativeMML in Safari, and doesn't work at all
in MathQuill.



*Peter:* can multiple different MathJax output jax be used on the same
page? Its configuration is uh, very global, and there's no
.noConflict()-like API as far as I can find.



If at all possible I'd love to have all these samples on the same page to
simplify side-by-side comparison, which is straightforward with KaTeX and
MathQuill, unclear on MathJax.



Han



On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Peter Krautzberger <
peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:

> the source code (html) of the page is as important as the final rendering
and mixing different ways to do math in a single page would make difficult
to understands the example.



Thanks, makes sense.



> Regarding MathJax [...]



I'll get started on some examples for MathJax.



We might want to use an issue to coordinate which tools we know of / would
hope to see (e.g., the various SVG renderers).



Best regards,

Peter.





On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com> wrote:

Well… the idea is that the source code (html) of the page is as important
as the final rendering and mixing different ways to do math in a single
page would make difficult to understands the example.



Regarding MathJax, I think that two different examples are valid. The first
one is an example with MathML on the page and the <script> tag. The other
one is the output (if I understand well that means the static HTML and
CSS). As another example, there is something like “accessibility support
such as volkers speech rule engine”. I do not know very much about it but
it is worth that somewhere it is explained because it might be of interest
for the CG.



At this stage, I don’t think we are ready to provide a solution but rather
collect the existing know-how of the members. That’s the reason I would
prefer as many ways to do math as possible.



My only concern is whether each example should follow a fixed template or
how they should be sort out.



Dani





*From:* Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org]
*Sent:* viernes, 29 de abril de 2016 11:16
*To:* Daniel Marques
*Cc:* Moritz Schubotz; public-mathonwebpages@w3.org


*Subject:* Re: Collection of examples suggestion



Dani,



Good idea! It will probably be relevant to have multiple representations
(different methods of creating HTML/CSS, SVG, PNGs etc). (Minor squibble:
MathJax does not fit into the list, I think, though its output does.)



I would propose to start on the wiki but I can't seem to be able to find it
:-(



I would like to propose to jump to GitHub right away, where we'd also have
a wiki.



If people don't object, @Ivan would you have the time to set up a repo for
us?



Best regards,

Peter.



On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com> wrote:

HI Moritz,



I am not referring to an exhaustive list of the math that should be covered
but how math is put into Web pages. For example, using MathJax, using SVG,
using static HTML and CSS, using flexbox, etc. I would also like to see
examples with different ways to do accessibility (using alt or aria
attributes), etc.



Dani





*From:* Moritz Schubotz [mailto:schubotz@tu-berlin.de]
*Sent:* jueves, 28 de abril de 2016 16:19
*To:* Daniel Marques
*Cc:* public-mathonwebpages@w3.org
*Subject:* Re: Collection of examples suggestion



Hi,


As promised on the (at least my) last MathJax meeting I'm working on that.

Actually I'm working on that today.

Currently I have the following lists of input all TeX sources
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/CoverageTest
https://github.com/wikimedia/texvcjs/blob/master/test/en-wiki-formulae.json
https://github.com/physikerwelt/utf8tex

If you have more datasets I'm very interested.

In addition I collected MathML input from input for inclusion in mediawiki
https://github.com/konrad/JATS-to-Mediawiki/issues/11

Best

Moritz







On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com> wrote:

Hi Everybody,



Great meeting and now we know each other better!



My suggestion is to collect examples of how formulas are currently put into
a Web page. Each example would be a single formula written in an html page
together with any additional resource it depends (css, images, js). We can
store the examples in the github repo we talked in a previous email. The
examples should be as rich as possible (accessibility, styling, …)
depending on the feature is wanted to express.



The idea behind the collection is that we understand better the different
solutions we are offering or we know from the members of the group. Later
on, when we try to write down the requirements, we will be able to point
into the examples.



Regards,



Dani






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