- From: Han <laughinghan@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 19:19:10 -0700
- To: Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>
- Cc: Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com>, Moritz Schubotz <schubotz@tu-berlin.de>, "public-mathonw." <public-mathonwebpages@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CACE=nd3zoMsfkG1BcEm=_1Lwhgu3pBZ9h0BS-V-B0rgQN=66uQ@mail.gmail.com>
If I'm understanding correctly what Daniel's talking about, there should be at least 3 MathJax examples, one for each of important output jax: CommonHTML (which I think is the most useful), HTML-CSS, and SVG, possibly NativeMML and PreviewHTML as well. My only concern is whether each example should follow a fixed template or > how they should be sort out. > Suggestion: fixed template, one basic example and one advanced one, like: http://jsbin.com/mofuqo/edit?html,output The basic example is the quadratic formula, obviously; I believe it works well in pretty much every web math renderer, images or HTML. I believe the advanced example (from here <https://www.w3.org/TR/arabic-math/#Comparison>) works well in KaTeX, works well with the 3 important MathJax output jax (CommonHTML, HTML-CSS, SVG), is displayed but looks bad/has minor rendering bugs with PreviewHTML or with NativeMML in Safari, and doesn't work at all in MathQuill. *Peter:* can multiple different MathJax output jax be used on the same page? Its configuration is uh, very global, and there's no .noConflict()-like API as far as I can find. If at all possible I'd love to have all these samples on the same page to simplify side-by-side comparison, which is straightforward with KaTeX and MathQuill, unclear on MathJax. Han On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Peter Krautzberger < peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote: > > the source code (html) of the page is as important as the final > rendering and mixing different ways to do math in a single page would make > difficult to understands the example. > > Thanks, makes sense. > > > Regarding MathJax [...] > > I'll get started on some examples for MathJax. > > We might want to use an issue to coordinate which tools we know of / would > hope to see (e.g., the various SVG renderers). > > Best regards, > Peter. > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com> wrote: > >> Well… the idea is that the source code (html) of the page is as important >> as the final rendering and mixing different ways to do math in a single >> page would make difficult to understands the example. >> >> >> >> Regarding MathJax, I think that two different examples are valid. The >> first one is an example with MathML on the page and the <script> tag. The >> other one is the output (if I understand well that means the static HTML >> and CSS). As another example, there is something like “accessibility >> support such as volkers speech rule engine”. I do not know very much about >> it but it is worth that somewhere it is explained because it might be of >> interest for the CG. >> >> >> >> At this stage, I don’t think we are ready to provide a solution but >> rather collect the existing know-how of the members. That’s the reason I >> would prefer as many ways to do math as possible. >> >> >> >> My only concern is whether each example should follow a fixed template or >> how they should be sort out. >> >> >> >> Dani >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org] >> *Sent:* viernes, 29 de abril de 2016 11:16 >> *To:* Daniel Marques >> *Cc:* Moritz Schubotz; public-mathonwebpages@w3.org >> >> *Subject:* Re: Collection of examples suggestion >> >> >> >> Dani, >> >> >> >> Good idea! It will probably be relevant to have multiple representations >> (different methods of creating HTML/CSS, SVG, PNGs etc). (Minor squibble: >> MathJax does not fit into the list, I think, though its output does.) >> >> >> >> I would propose to start on the wiki but I can't seem to be able to find >> it :-( >> >> >> >> I would like to propose to jump to GitHub right away, where we'd also >> have a wiki. >> >> >> >> If people don't object, @Ivan would you have the time to set up a repo >> for us? >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Peter. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com> wrote: >> >> HI Moritz, >> >> >> >> I am not referring to an exhaustive list of the math that should be >> covered but how math is put into Web pages. For example, using MathJax, >> using SVG, using static HTML and CSS, using flexbox, etc. I would also like >> to see examples with different ways to do accessibility (using alt or aria >> attributes), etc. >> >> >> >> Dani >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Moritz Schubotz [mailto:schubotz@tu-berlin.de] >> *Sent:* jueves, 28 de abril de 2016 16:19 >> *To:* Daniel Marques >> *Cc:* public-mathonwebpages@w3.org >> *Subject:* Re: Collection of examples suggestion >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> As promised on the (at least my) last MathJax meeting I'm working on that. >> >> Actually I'm working on that today. >> >> Currently I have the following lists of input all TeX sources >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/CoverageTest >> >> https://github.com/wikimedia/texvcjs/blob/master/test/en-wiki-formulae.json >> https://github.com/physikerwelt/utf8tex >> >> If you have more datasets I'm very interested. >> >> In addition I collected MathML input from input for inclusion in mediawiki >> https://github.com/konrad/JATS-to-Mediawiki/issues/11 >> >> Best >> >> Moritz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Everybody, >> >> >> >> Great meeting and now we know each other better! >> >> >> >> My suggestion is to collect examples of how formulas are currently put >> into a Web page. Each example would be a single formula written in an html >> page together with any additional resource it depends (css, images, js). We >> can store the examples in the github repo we talked in a previous email. >> The examples should be as rich as possible (accessibility, styling, …) >> depending on the feature is wanted to express. >> >> >> >> The idea behind the collection is that we understand better the different >> solutions we are offering or we know from the members of the group. Later >> on, when we try to write down the requirements, we will be able to point >> into the examples. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Dani >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Moritz Schubotz >> TU Berlin, Fakultät IV >> DIMA - Sekr. EN7 >> Raum EN742 >> Einsteinufer 17 >> D-10587 Berlin >> Germany >> >> Tel.: +49 30 314 22784 >> Mobil.: +49 1578 047 1397 >> Fax: +49 30 314 21601 >> E-Mail: schubotz@tu-berlin.de >> Skype: Schubi87 >> ICQ: 200302764 >> Msn: Moritz@Schubotz.de >> >> >> > >
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