- From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
- Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:21:26 -0500
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source https://www.w3.org/2019/09/05-lvtf-minutes.html Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference05 Sep 2019Attendees Presentjim, wayne, Jon, Laura, AlastairRegretsChairSV_MEETING_CHAIRScribejim Contents - Topics <https://www.w3.org/2019/09/05-lvtf-minutes.html#agenda> 1. focus visible - review on 2.2 <https://www.w3.org/2019/09/05-lvtf-minutes.html#item01> - Summary of Action Items <https://www.w3.org/2019/09/05-lvtf-minutes.html#ActionSummary> - Summary of Resolutions <https://www.w3.org/2019/09/05-lvtf-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary> ------------------------------ https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2019Aug/0015.html <laura> Waynes’ example: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2019JulSep/0177.html <scribe> scribe: jim focus visible - review on 2.2 https://www.tsbvi.edu/web/tests/focus-more-visible3.html <alastairc> https://alastairc.uk/tests/wcag22-examples/focus-more-visible-2.html <alastairc> Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WBUakVVdJh2alhSpacgUekEQL8HFMK9oMeq6IswdZVw/edit#gid=0 ac: 3 ways to measure focus style. Things changing - borders, outlines, ... adjacent colors. SC main point is about pixels changing and the contrast between changes. ... Andy's email. a scale, can have a 1px border if very contrasty >7 ... looking for a score of 1-10. jon: thought 1.4.11 applied to focus. want to discuss. <alastairc> Focus (more) visible draft: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9_WBgfhViWAaRFIWWt10CP5rBsEVIWm3vT1vWqrHvI/edit?ts=5d124fb5 # ac: current nontext contrast covered contrast in states - radio buttons. focus state indocator does not necessarily need to differentiate. jon: thought focus state indicator had to have a 3:1, ac: most think focus state has to have contrast. jon: not original intent of 1.4.11 ac: 1.4.11 was morfed. the new SC should fix the dynamic state of focus. jon: disappointed that what LVTF wanted didn't get addressed. 1.4.11 does very little for focus. ac: we use 1.4.11 for input controls and iconography. focus is covered in best practices jon: bigger challenge for users is finding focus. <alastairc> Example 1: scale of 1-10 - 10 very visible, 1 hardly visible <alastairc> https://alastairc.uk/tests/wcag22-examples/focus-more-visible-2.html jon: not talking about the 2 button issues. how to know which button has focus ac: just looking at visibility of focus ... all examples have 4 buttons to check as focus moves jon: comparison with adjacent controls ac: example 3 has contrast with dark border, but not background. jon: if it was thicker would not be so much of an issue, or both colors example 5 - looks pressed not focused. Jon: example 6 having a border overcomes usability issue <jon_avila> looks like I got kicked off. But I have to run to another meeting. Thanks. 15d seems like it fails the SC due not being the longest side to me. <alastairc> Ok, thanks Jon. 15d does have sufficient *area* <alastairc> which is what the SC is asking for.. <laura> need to drop off now. Bye. wayne: need research on visual perception, gestalt or preattentive vision, completion principle <laura> Wonder if we can we correlate LVTF assessed values in the spreadsheet to letter grades? <laura> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_grading_in_the_United_States laura - or make it a smaller scale for forced choice. Summary of Action ItemsSummary of Resolutions[End of minutes] -- Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9452 http://www.tsbvi.edu/ "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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