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Re: 10 Use Cases for Trust on the Web using LOD

From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:32:16 -0400
To: Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com>, public-lod@w3.org
Cc: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
Message-ID: <4b0ba9c2-7140-9094-526c-3cba9581ade1@verizon.net>
Henry, the use cases are now available in StratML format at 

Your about statement for Co-operating Systems is also available in 
StratML format, at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#COOS

As time permits, I look forward to learning more about PROV-XML, 
particularly whether it has been coordinated with national records 
management authorities and implemented in records management 
applications. https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-xml-20130430/#term-Plan

Broadly speaking, the only logical basis for trust is verifiable 
performance ... which requires reliable records ... which at scale 
requires machine-readability.

Ultimately, with apologies to the Queen, artificial geopolitically 
biased boundaries and authorities become irrelevant.  All that matters 
is results -- in a worldwide web of intentions, stakeholders, and results.


On 3/15/2020 5:43 PM, Henry Story wrote:
> Following my reply to Dick Gannon, I added two extra uses
> cases to the 10 I had listed previously
> • Trusting Linked Data
> • Provenance
> Both of those will also I think need an institutional Web of Trust.
> I linked to the answer I gave in the mailing list for the first
> one and cite the PROV work in the second.
> https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee
> I also improved the grammar of the blog post.
> Look forward to some more feedback :-)
> Henry
>> On 15 Mar 2020, at 19:30, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 15 Mar 2020, at 18:35, Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Henry,
>>> (Country Profiles)
>>> https://www.purl.org/pii/country/profiles
>> Let me go through a few epistemological steps, to
>> make the point of the blog post. The question we are
>> asking is: how can I trust the info I am reading?
>> Let’s start.
>> ----
>> Your purl redirects to secure6.securewebexchange.com .
>> Who owns that company?
>> As a techy I can find this out like this:
>> $  whois  securewebexchange.com | grep Admin
>> Registrant Name: Domain Admin
>> Registry Admin ID:
>> Admin Name: Domain Admin
>> Admin Organization: Deluxe Enterprise Operations, LLC
>> Admin Street: 2300 Glades Rd, Suite #301E
>> Admin City: Boca Raton
>> Admin State/Province: FL
>> Admin Postal Code: 33431
>> Admin Country: US
>> Admin Phone: +1.8003229438
>> Admin Phone Ext.:
>> Admin Fax:
>> Admin Fax Ext.:
>> Admin Email: corp-domains@aplus.net
>> Tech Name: Domain Admin
>> FL stands for Florida (I know that as a techy who has worked on the web
>> for 28 years, and on started discovering the internet in the 1980ies).
>> So this is a company declared to be in Florida.
>> But I also know that this information is self declared info, so is
>> it correct? Is there a big legal obligation to keep this data correct?
>> When I first go to that Web Site the browser should be able to immediately
>> find a link from the web site, and get official information from
>> the Florida business state registrar, and show me that, to tell
>> me what kind of company it is, who the owners are, what kind of
>> business they are, etc… This should be done in an intuitive UI
>> that everybody can understand, perhaps even with a map of the
>> globe to show people where Florida is. (It may be obvious to
>> people in the US, but many people around the world will not
>> know and neither will children, or even many teenagers.)
>> Anyway I guess what you wanted to look at were the links in the
>> data found there. Each one of them points to a CIA factsheet
>> page. Eg. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ax.html
>> Who is the CIA? Is that web site real? We here know because we know
>> that .gov is owned by the US government. How many people know that?
>> Especially outside the US? Do you know what the chinese government
>> web site is, or the Japanese, or that of Pakistan? or Russia?
>> (And if you do, how long did it take you to make sure?)
>> And then is it reasonable to ask people around the world to trust
>> US Central Intelligence Agency data about what they think of countries?
>> (Assuming you think that data should be used by browsers, or people
>> should use it to evaluate countries? I am not sure because you
>> don’t give any context to your links)
>> Furthermore the data there tells us what the CIA thinks of a country,
>> but not about the company we landed on. Eg. securewebexchange.com.
>> What I want to know as a UK citizen is what my country’s diplomatic
>> relations with the country in which the company behind a web site is located,
>> and what that country’s company registry says about that company,
>> what its domain of expertise is.
>>> (Dashboards)
>>> https://www.purl.org/pii/usa/county/profiles
>> Ok so here I guess you are trying to link to a profile on data on influenza.
>> The company publishing this data is securewebexchange.com again.
>> Who is that company? Can I rely on them? How do I know? What legal
>> jurisdiction are they in? Are they really in florida or did they have
>> a PO box there, and are actually remote? What is their financial situation?
>> In short why should I trust the data there?
>> Furthermore part of the data is loaded from a different site, so that
>> the browser gives me a warning as to the security of it.
>> The smileys on the page link to
>> http://www.rustprivacy.org/2019/county/XHTML/45.40OK375.html
>> who are they? They also have an insecure connection my browser
>> tells me. Whois tells me very little about the company behind
>> the web site. It gives me an 0800 number and tells me it is in
>> FL (Florida?). Are they in Medicine? Why should I trust their
>> data?
>> So you gave me data that may be correct but that I can’t really use,
>> because I have no idea what the agent making the claim is responsible
>> for.
>> ——
>> Hopefully that helps make clear why the Web of Nations institutional
>> web of trust is needed. :-)
>> So thanks for the use case.
>> https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee
>> Henry Story
>>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 11:17:45 AM CDT, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>     ”Trust is the Oil of the Future” someone wrote
>>> recently [1].
>>> And so the question is how does one rebuild trust when,
>>> at a global scale, peer to peer connections by themselves
>>> cannot be enough. How can people who retweet some info
>>> about say Covid19 know that the information comes from a
>>> trusted  source? Indeed how do you know?
>>>   I put together 10 use cases as to how Linked Data can
>>> help here that cover everything from trusting small web sites,
>>> to stopping phishing, to stemming fake news, helping
>>> anchor verifiable claims, as well as help build less intrusive
>>> interfaces for GDPR.
>>> https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee
>>> I’d be interested in any comments on this, and look forward to
>>> adding any ideas that I may have missed.
>>> Henry Story
>>> [1] https://twitter.com/GarethPresch/status/1239144639782891520
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