- From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:32:16 -0400
- To: Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com>, public-lod@w3.org
- Cc: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
Henry, the use cases are now available in StratML format at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#UCWN Your about statement for Co-operating Systems is also available in StratML format, at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#COOS As time permits, I look forward to learning more about PROV-XML, particularly whether it has been coordinated with national records management authorities and implemented in records management applications. https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-xml-20130430/#term-Plan Broadly speaking, the only logical basis for trust is verifiable performance ... which requires reliable records ... which at scale requires machine-readability. Ultimately, with apologies to the Queen, artificial geopolitically biased boundaries and authorities become irrelevant. All that matters is results -- in a worldwide web of intentions, stakeholders, and results. Owen On 3/15/2020 5:43 PM, Henry Story wrote: > Following my reply to Dick Gannon, I added two extra uses > cases to the 10 I had listed previously > > • Trusting Linked Data > • Provenance > > Both of those will also I think need an institutional Web of Trust. > I linked to the answer I gave in the mailing list for the first > one and cite the PROV work in the second. > > https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee > > I also improved the grammar of the blog post. > > Look forward to some more feedback :-) > > Henry > > >> On 15 Mar 2020, at 19:30, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On 15 Mar 2020, at 18:35, Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Henry, >>> >>> >>> (Country Profiles) >>> https://www.purl.org/pii/country/profiles >> Let me go through a few epistemological steps, to >> make the point of the blog post. The question we are >> asking is: how can I trust the info I am reading? >> Let’s start. >> >> ---- >> >> Your purl redirects to secure6.securewebexchange.com . >> Who owns that company? >> As a techy I can find this out like this: >> >> $ whois securewebexchange.com | grep Admin >> Registrant Name: Domain Admin >> Registry Admin ID: >> Admin Name: Domain Admin >> Admin Organization: Deluxe Enterprise Operations, LLC >> Admin Street: 2300 Glades Rd, Suite #301E >> Admin City: Boca Raton >> Admin State/Province: FL >> Admin Postal Code: 33431 >> Admin Country: US >> Admin Phone: +1.8003229438 >> Admin Phone Ext.: >> Admin Fax: >> Admin Fax Ext.: >> Admin Email: corp-domains@aplus.net >> Tech Name: Domain Admin >> >> FL stands for Florida (I know that as a techy who has worked on the web >> for 28 years, and on started discovering the internet in the 1980ies). >> >> So this is a company declared to be in Florida. >> But I also know that this information is self declared info, so is >> it correct? Is there a big legal obligation to keep this data correct? >> >> When I first go to that Web Site the browser should be able to immediately >> find a link from the web site, and get official information from >> the Florida business state registrar, and show me that, to tell >> me what kind of company it is, who the owners are, what kind of >> business they are, etc… This should be done in an intuitive UI >> that everybody can understand, perhaps even with a map of the >> globe to show people where Florida is. (It may be obvious to >> people in the US, but many people around the world will not >> know and neither will children, or even many teenagers.) >> >> Anyway I guess what you wanted to look at were the links in the >> data found there. Each one of them points to a CIA factsheet >> page. Eg. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ax.html >> >> Who is the CIA? Is that web site real? We here know because we know >> that .gov is owned by the US government. How many people know that? >> Especially outside the US? Do you know what the chinese government >> web site is, or the Japanese, or that of Pakistan? or Russia? >> (And if you do, how long did it take you to make sure?) >> >> And then is it reasonable to ask people around the world to trust >> US Central Intelligence Agency data about what they think of countries? >> (Assuming you think that data should be used by browsers, or people >> should use it to evaluate countries? I am not sure because you >> don’t give any context to your links) >> >> Furthermore the data there tells us what the CIA thinks of a country, >> but not about the company we landed on. Eg. securewebexchange.com. >> What I want to know as a UK citizen is what my country’s diplomatic >> relations with the country in which the company behind a web site is located, >> and what that country’s company registry says about that company, >> what its domain of expertise is. >> >> >>> (Dashboards) >>> https://www.purl.org/pii/usa/county/profiles >> Ok so here I guess you are trying to link to a profile on data on influenza. >> The company publishing this data is securewebexchange.com again. >> Who is that company? Can I rely on them? How do I know? What legal >> jurisdiction are they in? Are they really in florida or did they have >> a PO box there, and are actually remote? What is their financial situation? >> In short why should I trust the data there? >> >> Furthermore part of the data is loaded from a different site, so that >> the browser gives me a warning as to the security of it. >> >> The smileys on the page link to >> http://www.rustprivacy.org/2019/county/XHTML/45.40OK375.html >> >> who are they? They also have an insecure connection my browser >> tells me. Whois tells me very little about the company behind >> the web site. It gives me an 0800 number and tells me it is in >> FL (Florida?). Are they in Medicine? Why should I trust their >> data? >> >> So you gave me data that may be correct but that I can’t really use, >> because I have no idea what the agent making the claim is responsible >> for. >> >> —— >> >> Hopefully that helps make clear why the Web of Nations institutional >> web of trust is needed. :-) >> So thanks for the use case. >> >> https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee >> >> Henry Story >> >>> >>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 11:17:45 AM CDT, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> ”Trust is the Oil of the Future” someone wrote >>> recently [1]. >>> And so the question is how does one rebuild trust when, >>> at a global scale, peer to peer connections by themselves >>> cannot be enough. How can people who retweet some info >>> about say Covid19 know that the information comes from a >>> trusted source? Indeed how do you know? >>> >>> I put together 10 use cases as to how Linked Data can >>> help here that cover everything from trusting small web sites, >>> to stopping phishing, to stemming fake news, helping >>> anchor verifiable claims, as well as help build less intrusive >>> interfaces for GDPR. >>> >>> https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee >>> >>> I’d be interested in any comments on this, and look forward to >>> adding any ideas that I may have missed. >>> >>> Henry Story >>> >>> [1] https://twitter.com/GarethPresch/status/1239144639782891520 >>
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