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Re: Unacceptable (was Re: CFP - IEEE Technically Sponsored Computing Conference 2017 (London))

From: Courtney, Paul K. <Paul_Courtney@DFCI.HARVARD.EDU>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 00:10:39 +0000
To: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Supriya Kapoor <supriya.kapoor@thesai.org>
CC: "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
Message-ID: <F0D37943-063A-45AC-BF26-82FE1E99D0F2@dfci.harvard.edu>
Hi Phil,

Thanks for the full explanation for the change.

I do wonder though if there could be an automated response by the listserv servers whenever there is “CFP” in the subject line that informs the poster that the policy changed earlier this year and directing them to the relevant documentation. In “day and age” it seems rather trivial to make this kind of thing happen rather than have the post appear and then have your response to the post appear as well. 

Cheers,
 

Paul

 

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On 8/25/16, 12:16 PM, "Phil Archer" <phila@w3.org> wrote:

    Paul,
    
    You're not the first to complain but I am confident that you are in a 
    minority. How do  know? Because I asked members of both this list and 
    semantic-web and the results were clear. Many people value receiving 
    CfPs so we don't want to ban them outright, but W3C mailing lists are 
    not designed as promotional tools. Therefore we had to find a way 
    through. I have received more positive messages then negative ones, some 
    public, some private, so no, I am not pleasing everyone, but the overall 
    impression is positive.
    
    As for me being rude and snarky, point taken - I have had to apologise 
    to a couple of people before now and I hope I have been more measured 
    now that the issue seems to have settled down, but I do get irritated by 
    meaningless "apologies for cross posting." I do not believe my message 
    to Supriya Kapoor was rude or snarky; blunt, maybe, but no more.
    
    The reasons for jumping on this particular message are:
    
    1. the event advertised is a very general one about computing and is not 
    related to Web technologies in general, let alone Semantic Web and 
    Linked Data so the mail is not targeted;
    
    2. the mail was sent to at least 3 lists.
    
    Untargeted mail sent to lots of people? I call that spam.
    
    I am pleased to say that many people have used the semantic-web list to 
    post CfPs without cross-posting, see 
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2016Aug/. If desired, 
    you can filter the vast majority of those separately and just focus on 
    the discussions around vocabularies for units, DCAT for RSS, DUL, etc. 
    That's the desired outcome and, so far, it seems to be working.
    
    As for being the sole arbiter, well, again, I did take the trouble to 
    ask and secondly, as W3C Data Activity Lead, it's actually one of my 
    jobs to maintain all our lists related to the general field of data on 
    the Web.
    
    Hope this clarifies the situation,
    
    Phil.
    
    On 25/08/2016 15:12, Courtney, Paul K. wrote:
    > Phil,
    >
    > I’ve been watching you from the sidelines be the sole vocal arbiter on the matter of CFP and I really don’t understand the need you have to be unprofessional, rude, and snarky each and every time. This does nothing in my opinion but create an atmosphere of smug satisfaction for those who agree with you and dread for those who don’t.
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    >
    > Paul
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    > Paul K. Courtney, MS
    > Applications Specialist/Biomedical Informaticist
    > Information Systems in support of the Stem Cell Transplant Program
    > Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
    > T: 617.582.7389
    > C: 603.727.8171
    >
    >
    > F: 617.632.4030
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    > On 8/25/16, 5:13 AM, "Phil Archer" <phila@w3.org> wrote:
    >
    >     Dear Supriya Kapoor,
    >
    >     Your message to this and two other W3C lists is pure spam.
    >
    >     See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2016May/0032.html.

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