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Re: Is science on sale this week?

From: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 10:51:57 +0100
To: Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com>
Cc: <beyond-the-pdf@googlegroups.com>, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
Message-ID: <878v3hkhxe.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk>


Dump Springer, and just publish the results on arXiv. If ESWC cannot
organise a conference at 800 Euro a pop, without cash from Springer,
then perhaps they should try getting a cheaper venue.

Better still, let's separate out the committees, the publication, and
the conference. The committees can look at papers, they can all be
published on arxiv. And people who want can go to the conference.

Phil


Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes:
> the question is simple. both, eswc and iswc are prominent conferences
> because of a serious review process, a well structured set of
> committees working hard at the time of organization... but most of
> all, because we the community have accepted both conferences to be
> important. this will not change. so my point is, are publishers
> contributing with money,  serious money, to the organization of the
> conferences? how are they buying and how are we selling the
> publication rights? If tomorrow there were no springer how much would
> that affect the finances of eswc and iswc? substantially? why not
> enforcing an open publication policy for iswc and eswc? why not
> selling publication rights as a bidding process?
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rowe, Matthew <m.rowe@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>> As authors of accepted papers, don't we have the right to disseminate our
>> work as a pre-prints anyway? I just put mine online anyway, and always have
>> done (and will do) for people to download and read.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> On 14 May 2013, at 10:12, Phillip Lord wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ISWC and ESWC are a particular problem because they are both Springer. I
>>> pulled my paper from publication last year, as they would not do an open
>>> access option.
>>>
>>> So, with the situation as it stands, I cannot publish any semantic web
>>> research in either of these two conferences.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> conferences are important on their own. for instance, right now the
>>>> ISWC is an important conference regardless of the publisher of the
>>>> proceedings. if I wanted to get the 2012 proceedings I may have to pay
>>>> (http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3). do
>>>> publishers pay the ISWC organizers for the right to publish the
>>>> proceedings? I mean, as things are now the ISWC brings people to
>>>> springer, not the other way around.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Leon Derczynski <leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Reliable dissemination.
>>>>>
>>>>> CEUR-WS, ACL Anthology et al. do a valuable, critical job.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 May 2013 17:25, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we subscribe to science, free and open access to knowledge, what's the
>>>>>> purpose of the arrangement between conferences and publishers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sarven
>>>>>> http://csarven.ca/#i
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Research Associate, NLP Group
>>>>>
>>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>>> University of Sheffield
>>>>> Regent Court, 211 Portobello
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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Phillip Lord,                           Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827
Lecturer in Bioinformatics,             Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk
School of Computing Science,            http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord
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Newcastle University,                   twitter: phillord
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