Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013

Short DOIs for fragment IDs?

From: Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de<mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>>
Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:33 PM
To: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl<mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>>
Cc: Steve Pettifer <steve.pettifer@manchester.ac.uk<mailto:steve.pettifer@manchester.ac.uk>>, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca<mailto:info@csarven.ca>>, "public-lod@w3.org<mailto:public-lod@w3.org>" <public-lod@w3.org<mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013
Resent-From: "public-lod@w3.org<mailto:public-lod@w3.org>" <public-lod@w3.org<mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:34 PM

Open annotation is great. Really powerful and well designed ontology and model. It doesn't replace fragment ids, however. Both are necessary:
frag ids to link with in simple use cases (e.g. HTML) and the other one to annotate properly.
A bridge between them would be nice.

All the best,
Sebastian

Am 02.05.2013 18:00, schrieb Paul Groth:
Hi Sebastien,

I use latex as well. Utopia is a pdf reader.

But utopia does support referencing bits of the pdf. As I understand, they are moving to extending the open annotation ontology. I've cc'd Steve Pettifer who created Utopia and who will known the ins-and-outs.

Currently, they store all the annotations separately.

Thanks
Paul



On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de<mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>> wrote:
Hi Paul,
personally for me latex works best, because it has good editors and support for description logic formulas. Plus it is widely used and quite good for PDF typesetting.

It would be really swell to be able to address content within PDF with identifiers. Did Utopia solve that problem?

I am asking along the lines of
- mediafragments [1]
- RFC 5147 text fragment identifier (see the example at the bottom of [2])
- xpointer/xpath [3]

If yes, I would like to use it immediately. There are plans to convert the Google Mention corpus (which includes PDF's) to NIF [2] .
The PDF Open Parameters provided by [4] are way too simple.

All the best,
Sebastian

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/
[2] (example is at the bottom of .ttl file) http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core
[3] e.g. http://example.com/exampledoc.html#xpath(/html/body<http://example.com/exampledoc.html#xpath%28/html/body>[1]/h2[1]/span[1]/text()[1])
[4] http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/acrobat/PDFOpenParameters.pdf#page=7

Am 02.05.2013 12:55, schrieb Paul Groth:
Hi Sarven,

Beyond the PDF for me is moving beyond the current research communication system as highlighted by the Force 11 manifesto (http://www.force11.org/white_paper). This includes adopting technologies that augment/extend (i.e. go beyond) existing technologies. For example, making data easily accessible and citable, providing links to online content, making multiple perspectives on content available, exposing provenance, using altmetrics. I'm very influenced by the work on Utopia (http://utopiadocs.com) so that's why I think using pdfs are fine - you can do a lot with them as they stand - and for a certain form of communication (written long form text) they work well. As technologist we need to make sure that these new technologies work well in the environment and connect to other things.

cheers
Paul








On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca<mailto:info@csarven.ca>> wrote:
On 05/02/2013 12:23 PM, Paul Groth wrote:
I think Harry makes the point better than I can.

Paul, I have one last question for you if you don't mind, because it seems like you are not interested in playing this out and I don't want to bother you further: what does "beyond the PDF" mean to you?

-Sarven




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Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl<mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>)
http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/<http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Epgroth/>
Assistant Professor
- Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
- The Network Institute
VU University Amsterdam


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Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013 (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org, Deadline: *July 8th*)
Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org , http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
Research Group: http://aksw.org