Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013 from Sebastian Hellmann on 2013-05-02 (public-lod@w3.org from May 2013)

From: Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 23:18:34 +0200
To: "Dawson, Laura" <Laura.Dawson@bowker.com>
CC: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>, Steve Pettifer <steve.pettifer@manchester.ac.uk>, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>
Message-ID: <5182D82A.9060808@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
I am not completely familiar with DOI. Am I right, that it more or less 
provides the same service as http://purl.org .
DOI links on the resource-level. You would still need frag ids to link 
to parts.
Firefox can actually handle this:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1038%2Fscientificamerican1210-80#atl

If I am right, DOI also wouldn't be able to provide links to the 40 
million mentions contained in the Wiki links corpus:
http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/08/google-research-releases-wikilinks-corpus-with-40m-mentions-and-3m-entities/
That's 40 million DOIs ....

See the data excerpt below.

All the best,
Sebastian


URL 
ftp://217.219.170.14/Computer%20Group/Faani/vaset%20fani/second/sattari/word/2007/source/s%20crt.docx
MENTION vacuum tube 421 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube
MENTION vacuum tubes 10838 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube
MENTION electron gun 598 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_gun
MENTION fluorescent 790 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent
MENTION oscilloscope 1307 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscilloscope
MENTION computer monitor 1503 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_monitor
MENTION computer monitors 3066 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_monitor
MENTION radar 1657 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar
MENTION plasma screens 2162 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_screen

Each file is in the following format:

-------

URL\t<url>\n
MENTION\t<mention>\t<byte_offset>\t<target_url>\n
MENTION\t<mention>\t<byte_offset>\t<target_url>\n
MENTION\t<mention>\t<byte_offset>\t<target_url>\n
...
TOKEN\t<token>\t<byte_offset>\n
TOKEN\t<token>\t<byte_offset>\n
TOKEN\t<token>\t<byte_offset>\n
...
\n\n
URL\t<url>\n
...

Am 02.05.2013 22:36, schrieb Dawson, Laura:
> Short DOIs for fragment IDs?
>
> From: Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de 
> <mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>>
> Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:33 PM
> To: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl <mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>>
> Cc: Steve Pettifer <steve.pettifer@manchester.ac.uk 
> <mailto:steve.pettifer@manchester.ac.uk>>, Sarven Capadisli 
> <info@csarven.ca <mailto:info@csarven.ca>>, "public-lod@w3.org 
> <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>" <public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013
> Resent-From: "public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>" 
> <public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
> Resent-Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:34 PM
>
> Open annotation is great. Really powerful and well designed ontology 
> and model. It doesn't replace fragment ids, however. Both are necessary:
> frag ids to link with in simple use cases (e.g. HTML) and the other 
> one to annotate properly.
> A bridge between them would be nice.
>
> All the best,
> Sebastian
>
> Am 02.05.2013 18:00, schrieb Paul Groth:
>> Hi Sebastien,
>>
>> I use latex as well. Utopia is a pdf reader.
>>
>> But utopia does support referencing bits of the pdf. As I understand, 
>> they are moving to extending the open annotation ontology. I've cc'd 
>> Steve Pettifer who created Utopia and who will known the ins-and-outs.
>>
>> Currently, they store all the annotations separately.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Sebastian Hellmann 
>> <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de 
>> <mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Paul,
>>     personally for me latex works best, because it has good editors
>>     and support for description logic formulas. Plus it is widely
>>     used and quite good for PDF typesetting.
>>
>>     It would be really swell to be able to address content within PDF
>>     with identifiers. Did Utopia solve that problem?
>>
>>     I am asking along the lines of
>>     - mediafragments [1]
>>     - RFC 5147 text fragment identifier (see the example at the
>>     bottom of [2])
>>     - xpointer/xpath [3]
>>
>>     If yes, I would like to use it immediately. There are plans to
>>     convert the Google Mention corpus (which includes PDF's) to NIF [2] .
>>     The PDF Open Parameters provided by [4] are way too simple.
>>
>>     All the best,
>>     Sebastian
>>
>>     [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/
>>     <http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/>
>>     [2] (example is at the bottom of .ttl file)
>>     http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core
>>     [3] e.g. http://example.com/exampledoc.html#xpath(/html/body
>>     <http://example.com/exampledoc.html#xpath%28/html/body>[1]/h2[1]/span[1]/text()[1])
>>     [4]
>>     http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/acrobat/PDFOpenParameters.pdf#page=7
>>
>>     Am 02.05.2013 12:55, schrieb Paul Groth:
>>>     Hi Sarven,
>>>
>>>     Beyond the PDF for me is moving beyond the current research
>>>     communication system as highlighted by the Force 11 manifesto
>>>     (http://www.force11.org/white_paper). This includes adopting
>>>     technologies that augment/extend (i.e. go beyond) existing
>>>     technologies. For example, making data easily accessible and
>>>     citable, providing links to online content, making multiple
>>>     perspectives on content available, exposing provenance, using
>>>     altmetrics. I'm very influenced by the work on Utopia
>>>     (http://utopiadocs.com) so that's why I think using pdfs are
>>>     fine - you can do a lot with them as they stand - and for a
>>>     certain form of communication (written long form text) they work
>>>     well. As technologist we need to make sure that these new
>>>     technologies work well in the environment and connect to other
>>>     things.
>>>
>>>     cheers
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Sarven Capadisli
>>>     <info@csarven.ca <mailto:info@csarven.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         On 05/02/2013 12:23 PM, Paul Groth wrote:
>>>
>>>             I think Harry makes the point better than I can.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Paul, I have one last question for you if you don't mind,
>>>         because it seems like you are not interested in playing this
>>>         out and I don't want to bother you further: what does
>>>         "beyond the PDF" mean to you?
>>>
>>>         -Sarven
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl <mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>)
>>>     http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ <http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Epgroth/>
>>>     Assistant Professor
>>>     - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
>>>     - The Network Institute
>>>     VU University Amsterdam
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>>     Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
>>     Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013
>>     (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org, Deadline: *July 8th*)
>>     Venha para a Alemanha como PhD:
>>     http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
>>     <http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf>
>>     Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org ,
>>     http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
>>     Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
>>     Research Group: http://aksw.org <http://aksw.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl <mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>)
>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ <http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Epgroth/>
>> Assistant Professor
>> - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
>> - The Network Institute
>> VU University Amsterdam
>
>
> -- 
> Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
> Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
> Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013 (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org, 
> Deadline: *July 8th*)
> Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
> Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org , 
> http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
> Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
> Research Group: http://aksw.org


-- 
Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013 (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org, 
Deadline: *July 8th*)
Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org , 
http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
Research Group: http://aksw.org
Received on Thursday, 2 May 2013 21:19:08 UTC