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Re: FW: Failed to port datastore to RDF, will go Mongo

From: Ben O'Steen <bosteen@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:57:35 +0000
To: Juan Sequeda <juanfederico@gmail.com>
Cc: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, William Waites <ww@styx.org>, public-lod@w3.org, Friedrich Lindenberg <friedrich@pudo.org>
Message-ID: <1290632255.2818.236.camel@monster>
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 14:40 -0600, Juan Sequeda wrote:
> Ben,
> 
> 
> Just like we can
> 
> 
> 1) download xampp and install php, apache, mysql with one click
> 2) open a browser, open phpmyadmin, create my db
> 3) copy paste any snippet of code I can find on the web about
> connecting php/java etc to a mysql database
> 4) write code to select/insert/update my db
> 
> 
> ... you are asking for these same 4 simple steps but for an RDF
> database?

Not me personally, but in my experience of talking to developers in the
HE/FE sector as well as commercial devs through JISC, running Dev8D and
so on, being able to achieve those steps in the manner you have
suggested is crucial.

Yes, I exaggerated about my hearing the same tale a thousand times, but
I have heard that perception of RDF/triplestores many, many times as
unfounded as some may argue it is.

This will sound like heresy, but the closest parallel I've found to step
1) is with mulgara (excepting that a Java runtime of some sort is
required.) Run the jar, open browser, and run through the web-based
examples that cover input, update and query.

Ben


> 
> Juan Sequeda
> +1-575-SEQ-UEDA
> www.juansequeda.com
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Ben O'Steen <bosteen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>         On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 12:51 -0500, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>         > What does MySQL 4 do with this data that can't be done with
>         a
>         > moderately capable RDF quad / triplestore?
>         >
>         > If I am going to run rings around this thing, I need a
>         starting
>         > point :-)
>         
>         
>         That's not the point that is being made. A competent
>         developer, using
>         all the available links and documentation, spending days
>         researching and
>         learning and trying to implement, is unable to make an app
>         using a
>         triplestore that is on a par with one they can create very
>         quickly using
>         a relational database.
>         
>         This is about the 1000th time I have heard this story, and the
>         ability
>         range of those saying the same thing is huge - from 9-5 devs
>         who learn
>         what they need to people who research and teach artificial
>         intelligence
>         and other cutting edge areas and who actively learn new,
>         complex skills
>         just because they can.
>         
>         The point is not whether someone who (co?)developed the
>         virtuoso
>         triplestore can make RDF work, it's whether someone with the
>         time,
>         current documentation and inclination can.
>         
>         
>         Ben
>         
>         
>         
>         >
>         > --
>         >
>         > Regards,
>         >
>         > Kingsley Idehen
>         > President & CEO
>         > OpenLink Software
>         > Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>         > Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>         > Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
>         >
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