- From: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:08:33 +0200
- To: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>
- Cc: Bijan Parsia <bparsia@cs.man.ac.uk>, "John Goodwin" <John.Goodwin@ordnancesurvey.co.uk>, "Chris Wallace" <Chris.Wallace@uwe.ac.uk>, <public-lod@w3.org>, <semantic-web@w3.org>
Making something like pub:name a subProperty of rdfs:label is essential for the Tabulator for example to know it can use names as labels in the UI. So please do it (and don't duplicate the data in pub:name and rdfs:label in the data!) Presumably OWL DL systems can be built to ignore the rdfs:subClassOf fact when they do OWL-DL reasoning on the data. Tim On 2008-07 -29, at 12:59, Richard Cyganiak wrote: > > Bijan, Knud, Bernard, thanks for the clarification. > > I'm indeed surprised! Subclassing rdfs:label is okay in RDFS, and it > is okay in OWL Full, but it is not allowed in OWL DL. > > The RDF consumers I'm working on (RDF browsers and the Sindice > engine) don't care if you're in OWL DL or not, so I'm tempted to > argue that it doesn't matter much for RDF publishing on the Web. > (IME, on the open Web, trust and provenance are much larger issues > than inference, and I don't believe that the open Web will ever be > OWL DL, so why bother.) > > Others here will probably have different perspectives on this > question. > > Richard > > > On 28 Jul 2008, at 17:01, Bijan Parsia wrote: > >> On 28 Jul 2008, at 16:23, Richard Cyganiak wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 28 Jul 2008, at 15:52, John Goodwin wrote: >>>>> In an ideal >>>>> world, John would declare pub:name a subproperty of >>>>> rdfs:label, and the tools would infer the rdfs:label value... >>>>> But most clients don't do that yet. >>>> >>>> Am I allowed to declare something as subproperty of rdfs:label? >>> >>> As far as I know, yes. >>> >>>> I'm >>>> guessing this is one of those things that is allow in RDF, but >>>> not in >>>> OWL DL? >>> >>> I would be surprised if that is the case. >> >> You're surprised. >> >>> What makes you think so? >> >> The spec? :) But also you can try one of the species validators. >> >> (rdfs:label is an annotation property and you are not allowed to >> subproperty annotation properties in OWL DL) >> >> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-semantics/syntax.html#2.1 >> """Properties relate individuals to other information, and are >> divided into four disjoint groups, data-valued properties, >> individual-valued properties, annotation properties, and ontology >> properties""" >> >> Then if you look at the rest of the grammar, you'll see where >> annotation properties are allowed. >> >>> Can anyone else comment on this? >>> >>> (FWIW, foaf:name is a subproperty of rdfs:label.) >> >> And hence, not OWL DL. >> >> Historywise, this sort of annotation is a kind of metamodeling. At >> the time, the WebOnt working group (at least the DL contingent) >> wasn't sure how to handle this (it's not a standard feature of >> logics, esp. if you give it a strong semantic reading a la OWL >> Full). So the compromise was to forbid this. >> >> In OWL 2 (DL), you can get this sort of effect two ways, >> annotations (which are under discussion and being explored) or by >> punning classes and individuals (which won't actually help you with >> the built in vocabulary). >> >> Typically, subpropertying rdfs:label isn't really a *domain >> modeling* thing, but an attempt to spec a *presentational* issue >> (i.e., many UIs exploit rdfs:label, and one wants to indicate which >> properties should show up in the UI). Thus, there's a bit of >> tension there. >> >> HTH. >> >> Cheers, >> Bijan. >>
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