Re: space and time

" I think I will be filing in a paper for #geold14 /
 http://geold.geoknow.eu/ discussing
 * existing time-space ontologies
 * relation to geojson-ld
 * calendar / timezone agnostic time"

re: calendar / timezone agnostic time

The challenge here, I think, is to convince people, including ontology visionaries, that neither a watch nor a calendar is a machine which enables the ownership of time.  The task does not scale well because every day there are more people to convince and not because better versions of the "machines" have been released.

It is clear that you score no points for kicking the ball over the goal and into the crowd.  That is an innovative rule in some different game.  Furthermore, the different game has a German name, a French name ... :-)  This game is "geo".  
Calendars and Watches only have one playing field, regardless of the rules of the game being played.

Here is timezone agnostic time listing (sorry, only the XML works at present):

http://www.rustprivacy.org/2014/balance/gts/






  
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On Fri, 5/23/14, jon richter. geosemantik. <post@jonrichter.de> wrote:

 Subject: Re: space and time
 To: "Frans Knibbe | Geodan" <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>
 Cc: "public-locadd@w3.org Mailing list" <public-locadd@w3.org>
 Date: Friday, May 23, 2014, 8:56 AM
 
 TL;DR This post is not straight on
 the point, but displays my personal
 associations to the topic.
 
 
 Hallo Frans,
 
 I feel a little intruiged by the coincidence that you are
 asking about
 time now only a few weeks after I joined this list.
 Why that? Because I've entered mainly to answer myself
 questions
 regarding spacetime relations.
 
 I have the strong feeling, esp. for my research on
 knowledge
 visualization and tempospatial patterns therein, that a more
 thorough
 investigation and understanding of time itself can help
 representing,
 in my case, distributed processes in a more meaningful
 manner.
 
 ---
 
 I'm just starting to explore this topic for me, as there are
 only
 scattered notes, but to merge everything I find right now
 they are:
 
 * levels of measurement
   * probability / discrete / continuous (
 wiki://Quantum_spacetime )
 * geogit
 * ActiveRecord's tempospatial engine
 * WIK DVCS - patch-based version control for the Federated
 Wiki (
 including Transclusion, etc. )
 * SMILIE Timemap, Sextant, OKFn Timemapper
 
 There is work I know on those issues, mostly derived from
 the
 conferences I attended this year, since I just started
 exploring:
 
 [ via CartoCon 2014 ]
 * tempospatial reasoning -
 https://people.aalto.fi/index.html?profilepage=isfor#!andreas_hall
 * Barend Köbben's work - http://kartoweb.itc.nl/kobben/ - check
 Showcase > D3 examples
 * tempospatial models in PostGIS - via Raimund Schnürer -
 http://www.ikg.ethz.ch/karto/people/staff/sraimund
 
 [via FOSSGIS 2014 ]
 * Time Slices ( AIXM related ) -
 http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2014/programm/events/745.de.html
 * tempospatial models in GRASS ( via OSGeo )
 
 [ via OuiShare Fest 2014 / Harry Halpin ]
 * Linked Geodata Activist Phil Archer which I still have to
 contact.
 * A Catalog of Temporal Theories - by Pat Hayes -
 http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes/docs/timeCatalog.pdf
 
 [ #lgd14 was also a very resourceful event, but I haven't
 been there ]
 * Strabon as a semantic tempospatial engine designed from
 ground up
 http://www.archaeogeomancy.net/2014/03/linking-geospatial-data/
 
 I think I will be filing in a paper for #geold14 /
 http://geold.geoknow.eu/ discussing
 * existing time-space ontologies
 * relation to geojson-ld
 * calendar / timezone agnostic time
 
 ---
 
 All this becomes important when I want to draw distributed
 processes [
 persons, organizations, projects, knowledges, resources, ...
 ] along
 topological, temporal or spatial scales.
 
 Outside of the technological interest, the philosophical
 implications
 also appear interesting:
 * How can a non-linear time-model serve a processual
 democracy?
 * Do we already understand time enough to use historic
 prepositions
 for time modelling?
 
 Sorry for being so scetchy, but I'm just a beginner in this
 topic.
 But maybe I'm following a good trail here?
 
 Interested in any further exchange,
 
 Jon
 
 2014-05-23 12:39 GMT+02:00 Frans Knibbe | Geodan <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>:
 > Hello,
 >
 > When reading and talking about geographical Linked Data
 I sometimes come
 > across the term 'spatiotemporal data', meaning that
 data are dependent on
 > both space and time. I wonder if temporal aspects of
 data should be
 > considered when we are thinking about how to express
 location data in the
 > Semantic Web.
 >
 > I understand that for many spatial data the temporal
 aspects are really
 > important, but I think temporal aspects could be
 equally important to data
 > about postage stamps or model trains or beer, or
 whichever other topics one
 > can have data about. In all cases, I don't think it is
 necessary to think of
 > special ways of expressing the time dimension in the
 data. It seems to me
 > that general vocabularies and/or data types for
 expressing time should
 > suffice. In other words, I think that time and space
 are orthogonal subjects
 > and that vocabularies about space (location) can be
 kept separate from
 > vocabularies about time (For normal everyday data, that
 is. Cosmological
 > data are another matter).
 >
 > What do you think about this?
 >
 > Regards,
 > Frans
 >
 >
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