- From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:40:22 -0700
- To: "gordon@gordondunsire.com" <gordon@gordondunsire.com>
- Cc: Simon Spero <sesuncedu@gmail.com>, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, public-lld@w3.org, "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org>
Quoting "gordon@gordondunsire.com" <gordon@gordondunsire.com>: > Simon and others: > > Ah, I'd forgotten about subjects ... > > Jesus Christ doesn't need birth or death dates in an authority > context, unless > there is another person/persona with the same name of interest > bibliographically; the dates are added to create distinguishable labels > (headings). If that was required, I guess both dates would need > question-marks > to indicate uncertainty (O?-32?) - perhaps a (less frivolous) cataloguer can > correct me. Unfortunately, we heard recently from LC that they began including birth and death dates "when available" even if not needed to distinguish between like names. This, of course, overloads the meaning of the dates in the authority files. kc > > FRAD has an "is member of" relationship between a Person and a > Corporate Body. > But I don't think it's appropriate for the Nicholas Bourbaki scenario ... > > Cheers > > Gordon > > > > On 13 April 2011 at 11:59 Simon Spero <sesuncedu@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I would take intention (t) in the technical sense of being about [the entity >> being referred to by the bibliographer]. That also covers the use >> of names as >> subjects. >> In fact, if the association had been written about, there might be an >> authority entry for them. Most of the VIAF files have name entries >> for "Jesus >> Christ", despite his lack of publications (the entries lack birth and death >> dates too). >> Another good example is "Grant Naylor", who are the authors of Red >> Dwarf, who >> have a personal name record, and who also have individual personal name >> records. >> From an ontological point of view, there are other kinds of things that we >> need to consider; organizations, which have an entity separate from the >> individuals who compose it vs. groups, whose identity is defined solely by >> their membership. I believe that foaf handles this already? >> I don't have FRSAD and FRAD in front of me; I don't think FRSAD makes a >> difference here though. >> Simon >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 13, 2011 6:27 AM, "gordon@gordondunsire.com >> [mailto:gordon@gordondunsire.com] " <gordon@gordondunsire.com >> [mailto:gordon@gordondunsire.com] > wrote: -- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
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