- From: Simeon Warner <simeon.warner@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:06:25 -0400
- To: public-linked-json@w3.org
I created https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/435
My original message perhaps should not have suggested a mechanism for
control. An alternative to a flag, such as the approach you suggest,
might be cleaner.
Cheers,
Simeon
On 10/26/16 9:50 AM, Gregg Kellogg wrote:
> On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:35 AM, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com
> <mailto:azaroth42@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> +1 from me (as the sender of [3] below). Having a flag to not
>> unnecessarily generate @graph would be a great improvement. If
>> there's a fear of backwards incompatibility, the default could be to
>> include @graph.
>
> Yes, it is annoying. iIRC, the thought at the time was that a frame
> could return one or more results, and it would be odd if the results had
> a different shape depending. However, in my experience, when a frame is
> used in this context, the user usually knows to expect just a single result.
>
> Rather than add yet another flag, I would suggest that if the outermost
> frame in a frame document contains @graph, that we ensure that the
> result does as well, otherwise, only use it if necessary to contain
> multiple results.
>
>> Gregg, should we create an issue
>> in https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/ ?
>
> Yes, please create an issue.
>
> Gregg
>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Simeon Warner
>> <simeon.warner@gmail.com <mailto:simeon.warner@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I think framing is an important aspect of JSON-LD and I agree with
>> the introductory comment "Developers typically work with trees,
>> represented as JSON objects. While mapping a graph to a tree can
>> be done, the layout of the end result must be specified in
>> advance. A Frame can be used by a developer on a JSON-LD document
>> to specify a deterministic layout for a graph." [1]. I would add
>> that not only is a deterministic layout important, this layout
>> should be as simple as possible (but no simpler ;-) ). We should
>> expect to cater for JSON-only use of the data extracted from
>> JSON-LD systems, and for a developer working with JSON:
>>
>> {
>> "@context": "http://iiif.io/api/image/2/context.json
>> <http://iiif.io/api/image/2/context.json>",
>> "@id": "http://example.org/r1",
>> "formats": [
>> "jpg",
>> "png"
>> ],
>> "height": 2000,
>> "width": 2000
>> }
>>
>> is much preferable to:
>>
>> {
>> "@context": "http://iiif.io/api/image/2/context.json
>> <http://iiif.io/api/image/2/context.json>",
>> "@graph": [
>> {
>> "@id": "http://example.org/r1",
>> "formats": [
>> "jpg",
>> "png"
>> ],
>> "height": 2000,
>> "width": 2000
>> }
>> ]
>> }
>>
>> To access `width` it is much nicer to write `data.width` than
>> `data["@graph"][0].width`.
>>
>> I found some discussion of this issue in 2013 [3] and later in
>> that thread it seems that the pattern "agreed" upon [4] was to
>> frame and then compact again to remove the `@graph` construct in
>> cases where one knows that it can be done:
>>
>> > compact( frame( flat, frame), context)
>> >
>> > produces the desired output :)
>>
>> (the rest of that thread went on to discuss bnode handling leading
>> to issue [5]).
>>
>> I think that there should be a flag/keyword in the frame to
>> control whether `@graph` is artificially added in the second to
>> last step of the framing algorithm [2]:
>>
>> > If compacted results does not have a top-level @graph keyword,
>> or if its value is not an array, modify compacted results to place
>> the non @context properties of compacted results into a dictionary
>> contained within the array value of @graph.
>>
>> It seems ugly and wasteful to have to run compaction (or some
>> kludge doing just the needed transformation) in order to remove
>> the `@graph` construct.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Simeon
>>
>> [1] http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-framing/#introduction
>> <http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-framing/#introduction>
>> [2]
>> http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-framing/#framing-algorithm
>> <http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-framing/#framing-algorithm>
>> [3]
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/2013Jul/0143.html
>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/2013Jul/0143.html>
>> [4]
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/2013Aug/0001.html
>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/2013Aug/0001.html>
>> [5] https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/293
>> <https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/293>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rob Sanderson
>> Semantic Architect
>> The Getty Trust
>> Los Angeles, CA 90049
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