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Re: paging in editor's draft

From: Wilde, Erik <Erik.Wilde@emc.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:28:28 -0500
To: "ashok.malhotra@oracle.com" <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>, "public-ldp-wg@w3.org" <public-ldp-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CE9D0A9F.12380%erik.wilde@emc.com>
yes, agreed on that one. you can update and that will change the global
pages view of a collection, but these are two different things: you update
the collection with a resource, and where this is "inserted" into the
pages view does not depend on the client specifically inserting it on a
page, but on the server accepting it, and then refreshing its
understanding of how the new server state is reflected in a paged view of
the collection. cheers, dret.

On 2013-11-03, 15:24 , "Ashok Malhotra" <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:

>Even if you are looking at a view, the underlying collection can be
>updated while you are
>viewing the view and this has the potential of changing the contents and
>order of pages.
>All the best, Ashok
>On 11/1/2013 12:05 PM, Wilde, Erik wrote:
>> On 2013-11-01, 03:59 , "Ashok Malhotra" <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
>>wrote:
>>> On 11/1/2013 1:04 AM, Wilde, Erik wrote:
>>>> to me, the whole idea that there is some "natural order" to a
>>>> collection leads to all kinds of false assumptions. a collection is a
>>>> set, so there is no such thing as "inserting in the middle of it".
>>> We have the ability to order members of a collection.  See 5..1.3.
>>> This makes the collection a sequence.
>> does it? you can have views ordered in a variety of ways (and could add
>>a
>> a layer on top of LDP asking an LDP server to provide differently sorted
>> views of the same collection), but inherently, i would argue, the
>> underlying collection still *is* a set. ę°inserting new data into a viewę¸
>> to me is a weird concept. even with o:value, ordering is not fully
>> defined, because ordering depends on more than just values. it depends
>>on
>> value types, and sort rules defined on those types. i donę÷t think we
>> should even try to answer those questions, but i think it demonstrates
>> that ordering is a server-controlled concept that is not fully exposed,
>> and cannot be used for anything other than server-controlled
>> representations (such as ordered pages).
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> dret.
>>
>>
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