- From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
- Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 20:40:01 +0200
- To: public-ldp-wg@w3.org
A few minor clarifications... On 21 May 2013, at 20:00, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote: > (resending to get w3c into issue tracker) > Let me take Nandana's first bug tracking example and show how one can do > without membershipPredicate as set out by ISSUE-71. > > On 21 May 2013, at 18:30, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya <nmihindu@fi.upm.es> wrote > in the email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0169.html > >> ----------------------- Model 1 -------------------------------------- >> >> <http://example.org/app/BugTracker> a ldp:Container, bt:BugTracker ; >> ldp:membershipPredicate bt:tracksProduct ; >> bt:tracksProduct <http://example.org/app/BugTracker/ProductA> . >> ------ >> <http://example.org/app/BugTracker/ProductA> a ldp:Container, bt:Product; >> ldp:membershipPredicate bt:hasBug ; >> bt:hasBug <http://example.org/app/BugTracker/ProductA/Bug1> . >> ------ >> <http://example.org/app/BugTracker/ProductA/Bug1> a bt:Bug; >> dcterms:title "Product A crashes when shutting down."; >> dcterms:creator <http://example.org/users/johndoe>; >> dcterms:created "2013-05-05T10:00"^^xsd:dateTime >> bt:isInState "New" . > > So a few remarks on this modelling, which I think is worth opening a new issue > for by itself on. Your model is confusing a thing - a bug - and an information resource > that describes it. > This means that it is not going to be possible later to identify two bugs with owl:sameAs > without coming to the conclusion that it was created at different times, by potentially two > people. It also means you cannot distinguish copyrights on the information content - > a creative commons licence - from the bug itself, which is not something that can be > licenced. > So this is a first reason why this type of modelling is not standard, and not a good > idea. And another reason why the ldp:membershipPredicate is going to walks straight > into the -1 of a lot of people at the w3c if it is kept like that. > > So let me here try to bypass this problem and see how far I can go. > Let us say </bugs/> is our container with the following content: > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > <> a ldp:Container, bt:BugReport; This should be named something like bt:BugReportContainer rather that bt:BugReport. One could perhams even use owl Restrictions to define a class like that. > val:primaryTopicRestriction [ onProperty bt:product > hasValue <http://example.org/app/BugTracker/ProductA> ]; So again this is a restriction of the primaryTopic of the members of the container. another name could be val:memberPrimaryTopicRestriction . > bt:member <bug1>, <bug2>, <bug3> . > > # note that we add metadata on the information resource > # note also that the creator is the creator of the bug report, not the creator of the bug > > <bug1> dcterms:title "Product A crashes crashes when starting up."; > dcterms:creator <http://example.org/jack#me>; > dcterms:created "2013-04-05T10:00"^^xsd:dateTime . > > <bug2> dcterms:title "Product A crashes when shutting down."; > dcterms:creator <http://example.org/users/johndoe#i>; > dcterms:created "2013-05-05T10:00"^^xsd:dateTime . > > <bug3> dcterms:title "My pictures looks funny when I click the red buton"; > dcterms:creator <http://facebook.com/users/grannySmith#>; > dcterms:created "2013-05-06T11:23"^^xsd:dateTime . > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > So we assume we have some validation description that will be > arrived at by the rdf-validation group: > https://www.w3.org/2012/12/rdf-val/Overview.php > and that allows us to restrict the primary topics of posted content to > be about ProductA . > > From this a client would know that all members of the container are > bug reports, and that the bugs ... these bug reports describe ... > must be about about a specific topic. > > We publish metadata about <bug1> and <bug2> which are bug REPORTS, not > bugs. The Bug reports may themselves be buggy. > These bug reports would then say something simple like > > <bug1> log:semantics { > > <bug1> dcterms:title "Product A crashes crashes when starting up."; > dcterms:creator <http://example.org/jack#me>; > dcterms:created "2013-04-05T10:00"^^xsd:dateTime ; > foaf:primaryTopic <bug1#y> . > > <bug1#y> a bt:Bug; > bt:product <http://example.org/app/BugTracker/ProductA> ; > bt:isInState "closed"; > bt:cause <http://other.project.org/bugs/bug100#y> . > } ( I of course mean that the bug reports contain what is inside the parenthesis ie, after " <bug1> log:semantics { " ) > > And now the bug report <bug2> > > <bug2> log:semantics { > > <bug2> dcterms:title "Product A crashes when shutting down."; > dcterms:creator <http://example.org/users/johndoe#i>; > dcterms:created "2013-05-05T10:00"^^xsd:dateTime ; > foaf:primaryTopic <bug2#y> . > > <bug2#y> a bt:Bug; > bt:product <http://example.org/app/BugTracker/ProductA> ; > bt:isInState "open"; > owl:sameAs <bug3#y> . > } > > Here an engineer determined that <bug2#y> was the same as <bug3#y> though > he has two different bug reports which clearly are not owl:sameAs each other > > So now we have a case where it is clear how > 1. a client knows what to POST by looking at the restrictions on what the members are. > 2. the LDPC never uses anything else other than ldp:member I meant he never uses anything other than rdf:member > 3. we correctly make the distinction between information resource and thing talked about (the bug report and the bug) > 4. and we don't need membershipPredicate which makes it easier to find the members since all members can be found simply by searching SELECT ?m WHERE { <> rdf:member ?m } > > It is true we need a vocabulary for restrictions on contents, but that we needed > anyway and that is something that clearly can be done by a group such as the > RDF-Validation group https://www.w3.org/2012/12/rdf-val/Overview.php > > Hope this helps, > > Henry > > Social Web Architect > http://bblfish.net/
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