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Re: ISSUE-36: Summary of ways of making containers

From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:06:04 +0100
Cc: "Wilde, Erik" <Erik.Wilde@emc.com>, "public-ldp-wg@w3.org" <public-ldp-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <34991F46-4A9E-4A6D-86E8-E13D7AC5D071@bblfish.net>
To: Roger Menday <roger.menday@uk.fujitsu.com>

On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:20, Roger Menday <roger.menday@uk.fujitsu.com> wrote:

> 
>>> Let's say that LDP is the web for robots (i.e. HTML is replaced by RDF,
>>> hypermedia -> hyperdata). What is the application out there on the human
>>> web which requires container creation, which we also need to offer to our
>>> robotic clients ?

You go to facebook and you get an account for example. Think of 
http://facebook.com/ as the initial collection,
you POST something there and you get a new collection

   http://facebook.com/bblfish/

Then you get certain rights to do what you want in there.
In my view, most resources returned from there should say that
I am the creator, when I am ( in the header ).


>> 
>> any kind of app that wants to include LDP services in its own services,
>> and that wants to provide collection creation (explicitly, or for data
>> management reasons) as part of its services.
> 
> if that's the case, then it's part of the application, and in which case, not something we need to worry about. 

You want to give an application that you don't control some space in your
space to upload stuff ( contracts, cat pictures, ... ) but you want to limit
who can see what they upload or not: so you create a collection for them
where you can sandbox them.


>> let's take an app that allows
>> people to manage giant amounts of LDP-style data. it uses some scalable
>> LDP service in the cloud. when a new client joins that app, a new
>> collection in created for this client, where the client can now manage RDF
>> data.
> 
> 
>> in addition, the app does value-added things that help the user to
>> better manage their data than through vanilla LDP. in such a scenario, the
>> LDP cloud service needs to provide a service for creating collections,
>> since there is no other way for the value-added app to talk to it; there
>> is no behind-the-scenes connection between the LDP service and the
>> value-added app.
>> 
>> do you think this scenario qualifies?
> 
> You have essentially presented me with a very generic data management application as a scenario. And even in this case, there is still an application which drives that generic data management ... 
> So why are we worrying about client driven container creation ? I believe that the webby way is that when this necessary, then the server will make it an option. So, client directed container creation is always a red herring. 

I think one can come up with tons of examples like this.


> Roger
> 
>> cheers,
>> 
>> dret.
>> 
> 

Social Web Architect
http://bblfish.net/



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