- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:26:54 -0400
- To: public-ldp-wg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <507201AE.8050603@openlinksw.com>
On 10/7/12 6:08 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > On 10/7/12 2:40 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: >> On 10/7/12 1:52 PM, Arnaud Le Hors wrote: >>> Sorry Kingsley but I have to side with others on this issue. >>> Resource is undeniably the term that is commonly in use for the web >>> and the W3C is using (see Architecture of the World Wide Web [1] and >>> W3C's index of terms [2]). LDP is not the place to depart from it. >>> >>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ >>> [2] http://www.w3.org/Architecture/Terms.html >>> >>> I also have to say that I'm puzzled by your claim that "entity" is >>> not overloaded. Looking at W3C's index of terms again I see it >>> already has several possible definitions, none of which are the one >>> you refer to. >>> >>> But I appreciate your desire to bridge communities and if you were >>> interested in developing a document that explains how the different >>> terminologies relate to one another this would be a valuable >>> contribution. We could reference it from the LDP WG page and maybe >>> make it an annex to the spec. Is this something you would be >>> interested in doing? >> >> Here is a simple example that spells out the problem. >> >> Dret wants to express the following in natural language: >> >> A document can describe something. >> >> Ahok: please note, the statement above has nothing to do with a URI >> resolving to content in a variety of formats. >> >> Dret's quest expressed differently in Turtle notation (I've left out >> the prefix declarations for sake of brevity): >> >> <> <#Describes> <#SomeThing> . >> >> The statement above represents a basic entity relationship held >> together by the predicate: <#Describes> . >> >> The description of <#Describes> is as follows: >> >> <#Describes> <#Type> <#Property>. >> <#Describes> <#Domain> <#AnyThing> . >> <#Describes> <#Range> <#AnyThing> . >> <#Describes> <#Label> "Describes" . >> <#Describes> <#Comments> "A predicate that associates an entity of >> type: Document, with a Description Subject." . >> >> # Cross Reference with shared vocabularies or ontologies >> >> <#Type> owl:equivalentProperty rdf:type . >> <#Domain> owl:equivalentProperty rdfs:domain . >> <#Range> owl:equivalentProperty rdfs:range . >> <#Describes> owl:inverseOf wdrs:describedby >> >> According to Dret. and those of you that support his views, for sake >> of being consistent with broken literature, you are implying that: >> >> 1. <> -- which denotes a resource . >> 2. <#Describes> -- denotes a resource . >> 3. <#SomeThing> -- denotes a resource. >> >> To those that can parse this view point, you are missing the fact >> nobody instinctively assumes a human being is a resource when there >> is no sense of realm partitioning i.e., the Web is an electronic >> medium distinct from the real-world. >> >> All I am saying is that existing literature and basic human instincts >> align much more clearly when literature expresses the fact that: >> >> 1. <> -- denotes an entity of type: document . >> 2. <#Describes> -- denotes a entity of type: predicate. >> 3. <#SomeThing> -- denotes an entity of type: anything (owl:Thing) >> e.g.., a person, organization, or any other thing. >> >> >> Right now (even after all the historic data to the contrary re. >> coherence) you still want to pack all this clarity into the obscurity >> of the overloaded use of "resource" . For what its worth, the content >> of a Web document is the resource (the data). De-referencable URIs >> (as denotation mechanisms) enable triangulation to actual content >> (the resource or data) via indirection. Note, indirection is >> fundamental feature that precedes the Web e.g., its delivered via >> pointers using unary operators "&" and "*" in the 'C' programming >> language, for instance. >> >> Anyway, I've expressed my point. I am moving on. >> >> Kingsley > Little correction: > > The description of <#Describes> is as follows: > > <#Describes> <#Type> <#Property>. > <#Describes> <#Domain> xsd:anyURI . > <#Describes> <#Range> xsd:anyURI . > <#Describes> <#Label> "Describes" . > <#Describes> <#Comments> "A predicate that associates an entity of > type: Document, with a Description Subject." . > > One more correction: <#Describes> <#Type> <#Property>. <#Describes> <#Domain> foaf:Document . <#Describes> <#Range> xsd:anyURI . <#Describes> <#Label> "Describes" . <#Describes> <#Comments> "A predicate that associates an entity of type: Document, with a Description Subject." . -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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