Re: ldp-ISSUE-15 (sharing binary resources and metadata): sharing binary resources and metadata [Linked Data Platform core]

On 10/7/12 2:40 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> On 10/7/12 1:52 PM, Arnaud Le Hors wrote:
>> Sorry Kingsley but I have to side with others on this issue. Resource 
>> is undeniably the term that is commonly in use for the web and the 
>> W3C is using (see Architecture of the World Wide Web [1] and W3C's 
>> index of terms [2]). LDP is not the place to depart from it.
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/
>> [2] http://www.w3.org/Architecture/Terms.html
>>
>> I also have to say that I'm puzzled by your claim that "entity" is 
>> not overloaded. Looking at W3C's index of terms again I see it 
>> already has several possible definitions, none of which are the one 
>> you refer to.
>>
>> But I appreciate your desire to bridge communities and if you were 
>> interested in developing a document that explains how the different 
>> terminologies relate to one another this would be a valuable 
>> contribution. We could reference it from the LDP WG page and maybe 
>> make it an annex to the spec. Is this something you would be 
>> interested in doing?
>
> Here is a simple example that spells out the problem.
>
> Dret wants to express the following in natural language:
>
> A document can describe something.
>
> Ahok: please note, the statement above has nothing to do with a URI 
> resolving to content in a variety of formats.
>
> Dret's quest expressed differently in Turtle notation (I've left out 
> the prefix declarations for sake of brevity):
>
> <> <#Describes> <#SomeThing> .
>
> The statement above represents a basic entity relationship held 
> together by the predicate: <#Describes> .
>
> The description of <#Describes> is as follows:
>
> <#Describes> <#Type> <#Property>.
> <#Describes> <#Domain> <#AnyThing> .
> <#Describes> <#Range> <#AnyThing> .
> <#Describes> <#Label> "Describes" .
> <#Describes> <#Comments> "A predicate that associates an entity of 
> type: Document, with a Description Subject." .
>
> # Cross Reference with shared vocabularies or ontologies
>
> <#Type> owl:equivalentProperty rdf:type .
> <#Domain> owl:equivalentProperty rdfs:domain .
> <#Range> owl:equivalentProperty rdfs:range .
> <#Describes> owl:inverseOf wdrs:describedby
>
> According to Dret. and those of you that support his views, for sake 
> of being consistent with broken literature, you are implying that:
>
> 1. <> -- which denotes a resource .
> 2. <#Describes> -- denotes a resource .
> 3. <#SomeThing> -- denotes a resource.
>
> To those that can parse this view point, you are missing the fact 
> nobody instinctively assumes a human being is a resource when there is 
> no sense of realm partitioning i.e., the Web is an electronic medium 
> distinct from the real-world.
>
> All I am saying is that existing literature and basic human instincts 
> align much more clearly when literature expresses the fact that:
>
> 1. <> -- denotes an entity of type: document .
> 2. <#Describes> -- denotes a entity of type: predicate.
> 3. <#SomeThing> -- denotes an entity of type: anything (owl:Thing) 
> e.g.., a  person, organization, or any other thing.
>
>
> Right now (even after all the historic data to the contrary re. 
> coherence) you still want to pack all this clarity into the obscurity 
> of the overloaded use of "resource" . For what its worth, the content 
> of a Web document is the resource (the data). De-referencable URIs (as 
> denotation mechanisms) enable triangulation to actual content (the 
> resource or data) via indirection. Note, indirection is fundamental 
> feature that precedes the Web e.g., its delivered via pointers using 
> unary operators "&" and "*" in the 'C' programming language, for 
> instance.
>
> Anyway, I've expressed my point. I am moving on.
>
> Kingsley 
Little correction:

The description of <#Describes> is as follows:

<#Describes> <#Type> <#Property>.
<#Describes> <#Domain> xsd:anyURI .
<#Describes> <#Range> xsd:anyURI .
<#Describes> <#Label> "Describes" .
<#Describes> <#Comments> "A predicate that associates an entity of type: 
Document, with a Description Subject." .


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