- From: C. M. Sperberg-McQueen <cmsmcq@blackmesatech.com>
- Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:00:13 -0700
- To: public-ixml@w3.org
ixml meeting 8 February 2022
When: Tuesday 8 February 2022 15:30 UTC for 1 hour
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting+8+February&iso=20220208T1530
Where: Location: https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq
Minute taker: ?
IRC: the meetings will be minuted on IRC at irc://irc.w3.org:6667/%23ixml
Details of W3C IRC use are at [1] and [2].
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[2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC
Previous minutes: &uri-previous-minutes;
AGENDA
Topic: Review of agenda
1 Review of action items
2 Status reports
Status of implementations
Status of testing and test suites
3 Review and resolution of issues
# 24 accept the whole input?
# 6 media type
- cluster of issues on conformance (31, 33, 20, 25, 18, 23, 21)
# 28 schema for grammars
# 26 ambiguity
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4 Other topics
Rota for minute-taking?
Website
Release plan
5 Next meeting
6 Any other business
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Topic: Previous Actions
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ACTION (2021-10-001): Steven to draft a mediatypes proposal (see
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6). (Held open pending
discussion.)
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Topic: Status reports
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Topic: Status of implementations
Topic: Status of testing and test suites
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Topic: Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues
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For all active issues, see https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/
Topic: Spec issue #24 - Accept the whole input?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/24
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0097.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0102.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Apr/0007.html
and ensuing threads
Topic: Issue #6 Media types
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0064.html
Topic: Conformance issue: which grammars to accept and reject (et al.)
Several threads and open issues are relevant here:
- Accept ixml only or ixml and XML grammars?
- Are processors required to detect non-conformance in grammars?
- What constitutes non-conformance in grammars? Are some grammar
errors detectable only when exercised by the input?
- What should the spec say about other run-time errors unrelated
to the grammar and the input?
- What should the spec say about non-XML characters?
- What should the spec say about ill-formed output?
- What should the spec say about ungrammatical input?
- What should the spec say about ill-formed grammars (grammars which
are not grammatical according to the grammar for grammars?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/31
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/33
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/20
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/25
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/18
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/23
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/21
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0072.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0073.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0077.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0028.html
Topic: Issue #28 Schema for grammars
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/28
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0009.html
Topic: Spec issue #26 - how is ambiguity defined?
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0030.html
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/26
Topic: XML, VXML, output of ixml processing
Dave Pawson asked that this be a "(hopefully brief) agenda item".
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0150.html
Topic: Terminological issues: what is an 'error'?
Is it an 'error' for the input string not to be a sentence in the
language described by the input grammar? Agenda item requested by
Dave Pawson.
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Feb/0085.html
and the surrounding thread
Topic: Pragmas proposal (continued)
Brief summary of TM proposal:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0029.html
Proposal: misc/pragmas-proposal.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas-proposal.md
Background: misc/pragmas.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas.md
(This is a longer discussion of the proposal, with alternatives;
discussion of requirements, desiderata, and design principles; and
worked examples showing how processors might use the pragmas
proposal for support of various kinds of additional functionality.)
Strawman proposal from SP:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0102.html
Specific issue: is there a reason for pragmas to nest?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/30
Specific issue: are the constraints on what a pragma can change or do?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/29
See also (older discussions):
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003 (pragmas)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0002 (namespace decls, locality)
During the discussion this past week, Dave Pawson asked that the
application of pragmas to parse trees be an agenda item:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0169.html
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Topic: Other topics
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Topic: Minute-taking
Proposal: we should rotate minute-taking.
Topic: Website
https://invisiblexml.org
https://github.com/invisibleXML/
Topic: Release plan
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Topic: Next meeting
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Normal date for ixml meetings is every Tuesday at 15:30 UTC
On the usual schedule, the next meeting would be Tuesday 15 February,
at 15:30 UTC for one hour.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting&iso=20220215T1530
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Topic: Any other business
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C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
Black Mesa Technologies LLC
http://blackmesatech.com
Received on Monday, 7 February 2022 20:00:34 UTC