- From: Nick Doty <ndoty@cdt.org>
- Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:56:23 -0500
- To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
- Cc: public-interop-remedies@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CA+tYtvHGdnC8hPBhW24DPszPyW7q31EbskyJhMsjfSdJcRzwKA@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 2:30 AM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote: > The charter calls out two different kinds of activities that this group > might pursue (each likely leading to a Report): > > 1) Where we proactively want to recommend* specifications or technologies > as a remedy in a defined situation (e.g., social networking, chat, etc.), > highlighting any gaps > 2) Where we want to react to a such a proposal made elsewhere (e.g., when > a competition regulator or other national body selects something) > > To kick off some discussion, here are my initial thoughts -- > > The charter contains a few suggestions of initial areas we might explore > for #1. I don't have any strong sense of where we should start, but it > should probably be something smaller and more straightforward, so that we > can get into a working cadence. E.g., taking on social networking to start > with might be too much. > > When we make recommendations, I've been thinking we'd define things in > terms of how they serve as a remedy to competition issues in specific, > well-defined markets -- too often, people paint 'big tech' with very broad > brushstrokes. However, that will require us to do some work, and also to > predict (to a degree) how those markets might be characterised. So I'd be > interested to hear what people think about how much we should relate our > work to e.g., the various reports that have been produced recently. > Rather than predicting (which I agree is somewhat inevitable), I wonder if this group could proactively discuss areas where we believe interoperability could be useful to address consolidation. Sometimes those will be technical areas that a regulator has already or will identify as particular markets of concern and sometimes they might just be suggestions that don't see any future policy mandates but even then this group's reporting could be useful. One form of output from this group might be, essentially, suggested charters for areas of work. That is, we might do the scoping exercise that is common in chartering a standards process -- noting user and market needs; identifying technologies and standards that already exist; proposing where work is and isn't likely to be useful; highlighting the deliverables that are most important. Suggesting charter-style scopings might make it clear that this community group isn't defining a set of standards itself or blessing some existing standard as solving a problem. But scoped charters could be useful guidance -- both to policymakers who want to understand what kind of work would be necessary in different areas and to the industry and technical community generally to see where interoperability could make a big difference. I also like the idea of picking some relatively manageable areas to start with. One feature that I'm regularly reminded could be useful in facilitating user switching is some "forwarding address" functionality; that is, I don't want to be locked in to my account with a particular service because I have connections there and it's impractical for me to contact all of them individually and let them know about my new account somewhere else. What's needed to be able to set up messages to forward along so that they don't end up in a virtual dead letter office? What could be used to help my subscribers automatically follow my move to a new location? These questions came up in Mastodon development as a feature of particular importance for federation: we need to facilitate user moves between servers (not just the ability to have servers on different accounts) in order to get the user empowerment of federation. And an example of some area that is broad but may not be the most complex: data portability requirements are relatively common, both in existing regulations and in new proposals. Formats for downloading data and uploading it somewhere else probably don't need to be complex as the APIs to connect services directly, but without standards and interoperable implementations, theoretical portability isn't likely to mean much in being able to move away from a dominant service provider. It could be useful to survey where standards do and don't exist for the data you can download from an existing social or other service provider, and scope out the work needed to make those portability transitions easier. Looking forward to talking with you all soon, Nick
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