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Re: [Hyperledger Quilt] Proposal: Switching from Gitter to something else

From: David Fuelling <fuelling@ripple.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:30:15 -0700
Message-ID: <CAJm-mSpMfZrEOBGuxEv7mvLe4JKoZqvd4JkOaE2vxYUY_GTZgQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Akash Khosla <akhosla@berkeley.edu>
Cc: Bhaves Shah <bhaves.shah@jabjabgroup.com>, Daniel Carroll <daniel.carroll@secureblockchains.com>, Yuriy Dybskiy <yuriy@dybskiy.com>, ledger@ietf.org, public-interledger@w3.org
+1 for Slack. As a 2nd choice I would support
https://www.discourse.org (0x forum and chat use that and it seems nice).

Agree we need to move off of Gitter.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 3:49 AM Akash Khosla <akhosla@berkeley.edu> wrote:

> Gotcha, in that case I'll move the Hyperledger side to bcc to avoid
> confusion - this is focused on the Interledger working group which
> regularly uses Gitter.
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:30 AM Silona Bonewald <
> sbonewald@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Silona the VP of community architecture for Hyperledger here
>>
>> I'm afraid this is something we cannot change easily. All of the projects
>> at Hyperledger need to be on the same chat system.
>>
>> Http://Chat.hyperledger.org which is rocket chat.
>>
>> Please follow Ry"s directions earlier about creating an LF ID. A Linux
>> foundation ID.  Hyperledger also is a project under the Linux foundation
>> and we also adhere to some of those standards as well.
>>
>> As a community and especially quilt bring an interopability tool has to
>> work within the larger community of Hyperledger.  We have a unified
>> standard. You can read up on the Hyperledger project process more on the
>> wiki.hyperledger.org
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Silona
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 23:25 Daniel Carroll <
>> daniel.carroll@secureblockchains.com wrote:
>>
>>> It would likely be good to have a couple of different platforms.
>>>
>>> I like Discord and Telegram for community chat and general sharing of
>>> information. But both are limited in how you can breakdown information into
>>> categories and maintain a logical history.
>>>
>>> I like Slack and Trello for grouping chunks of data within a team
>>> attempting productivity.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Bhaves Shah <bhaves.shah@jabjabgroup.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I assume when looking at the community at large we want a solution that
>>> is seccure in nature and also has the feature set to grow as the community
>>> grows, although cost could be an issue later..
>>>
>>> You may want to check -  https://flock.com/
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Bhaves
>>>
>>> On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:36 AM, Yuriy Dybskiy <yuriy@dybskiy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Akash, really great proposal!
>>> I've been using Discord more and more lately so I'm definitely +1 on
>>> that one.
>>> Rocket.chat is built with Meteor and I used to be a huge fan of it so
>>> I'm +1 on that option as well :)
>>>
>>> Discord might be the easiest to setup and more polished so slight
>>> preference there, but long term maybe Rocket.chat is a better option.
>>> Curious what others think.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 7:02 PM AKASH KHOSLA <akhosla@berkeley.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering if there would be any interest in moving from Gitter to
>>>> another platform. The main reason I bring this up is because Gitter could
>>>> be out of the way for a lot of us and the application doesn't encourage
>>>> dedicated usage. Email lists are a bit old school and signing up for the
>>>> Interledger one is out of the way. I think the reason for such a cryptic
>>>> interface for the w3c style/linux foundation emails list is sybil
>>>> resistance and anti-spam since there are liberal write permissions to the
>>>> lists. I think scaling the community requires something better than email
>>>> and Gitter. Would be great to hear thoughts on this.
>>>>
>>>> Couple problems with Gitter:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Clunky interface
>>>>    2. Poor separation of conversations/rooms
>>>>    3. Bad search function
>>>>    4. Bad mobile app
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some alternatives I think users enjoy using, and are well known in dev
>>>> communities:
>>>>
>>>> *Rocket.chat <https://rocket.chat/>*
>>>> Pros:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Open source chat (basically a friendly IRC replacement)
>>>>    2. Self hosting is free, cloud options available, easy to deploy
>>>>    with scripts
>>>>    3. Slack-like interface
>>>>    4. Good search functionality
>>>>    5. Threads
>>>>    <https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/pull/11803#issuecomment-455963816>
>>>>    are being implemented
>>>>    6. Usable mobile applications
>>>>    7. Actively maintained + marketplace integrations
>>>>    8. Can deploy at chat.interledger.org (would be happy to help).
>>>>    9. Easy sign in with GitHub, just like gitter.
>>>>
>>>> Cons:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Not as well known as discord, slack or gitter from what I can
>>>>    tell, but I expect it to continue to grow in usage down the line and gain
>>>>    even more support than it already has.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Discord*
>>>> Pros:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Commonly used
>>>>    2. Free to use unlike sack
>>>>    3. Fast and friendly
>>>>    4. Solid mobile apps
>>>>    5. Actively maintained
>>>>    6. No self hosting or maintenance
>>>>    7. Supports integrations
>>>>
>>>> Cons:
>>>>
>>>>    1. May not be free forever
>>>>    2. Chat logs are owned by Discord
>>>>    3. More complex interface than Slack/Rocket (some colleagues and I
>>>>    describe it as heavier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This list may not be complete in terms of pros and cons so please chime
>>>> in if you have a personal preference or have something to say about these
>>>> platforms or others. I've spent some time with both alternatives, you can
>>>> generally find demos on their corresponding websites to see what you like
>>>> best.
>>>>
>>>> *Akash Khosla*
>>>> Fourth Year EECS
>>>> akhosla@berkeley.edu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Yuriy @html5cat <http://twitter.com/html5cat> Dybskiy
>>>
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