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Re: [Hyperledger Quilt] Proposal: Switching from Gitter to something else

From: Akash Khosla <akhosla@berkeley.edu>
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 02:48:04 -0800
Message-ID: <CAHg6nxz9KD7KKX5BCH8Auh2HAofYbv_qV5d9TG4aEHhfSm3=ug@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: Daniel Carroll <daniel.carroll@secureblockchains.com>, Bhaves Shah <bhaves.shah@jabjabgroup.com>, Yuriy Dybskiy <yuriy@dybskiy.com>, ledger@ietf.org, public-interledger@w3.org
Gotcha, in that case I'll move the Hyperledger side to bcc to avoid
confusion - this is focused on the Interledger working group which
regularly uses Gitter.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:30 AM Silona Bonewald <
sbonewald@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Silona the VP of community architecture for Hyperledger here
>
> I'm afraid this is something we cannot change easily. All of the projects
> at Hyperledger need to be on the same chat system.
>
> Http://Chat.hyperledger.org which is rocket chat.
>
> Please follow Ry"s directions earlier about creating an LF ID. A Linux
> foundation ID.  Hyperledger also is a project under the Linux foundation
> and we also adhere to some of those standards as well.
>
> As a community and especially quilt bring an interopability tool has to
> work within the larger community of Hyperledger.  We have a unified
> standard. You can read up on the Hyperledger project process more on the
> wiki.hyperledger.org
>
> Thank you,
> Silona
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 23:25 Daniel Carroll <
> daniel.carroll@secureblockchains.com wrote:
>
>> It would likely be good to have a couple of different platforms.
>>
>> I like Discord and Telegram for community chat and general sharing of
>> information. But both are limited in how you can breakdown information into
>> categories and maintain a logical history.
>>
>> I like Slack and Trello for grouping chunks of data within a team
>> attempting productivity.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Bhaves Shah <bhaves.shah@jabjabgroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I assume when looking at the community at large we want a solution that
>> is seccure in nature and also has the feature set to grow as the community
>> grows, although cost could be an issue later..
>>
>> You may want to check -  https://flock.com/
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Bhaves
>>
>> On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:36 AM, Yuriy Dybskiy <yuriy@dybskiy.com> wrote:
>>
>> Akash, really great proposal!
>> I've been using Discord more and more lately so I'm definitely +1 on that
>> one.
>> Rocket.chat is built with Meteor and I used to be a huge fan of it so
>> I'm +1 on that option as well :)
>>
>> Discord might be the easiest to setup and more polished so slight
>> preference there, but long term maybe Rocket.chat is a better option.
>> Curious what others think.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 7:02 PM AKASH KHOSLA <akhosla@berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if there would be any interest in moving from Gitter to
>>> another platform. The main reason I bring this up is because Gitter could
>>> be out of the way for a lot of us and the application doesn't encourage
>>> dedicated usage. Email lists are a bit old school and signing up for the
>>> Interledger one is out of the way. I think the reason for such a cryptic
>>> interface for the w3c style/linux foundation emails list is sybil
>>> resistance and anti-spam since there are liberal write permissions to the
>>> lists. I think scaling the community requires something better than email
>>> and Gitter. Would be great to hear thoughts on this.
>>>
>>> Couple problems with Gitter:
>>>
>>>    1. Clunky interface
>>>    2. Poor separation of conversations/rooms
>>>    3. Bad search function
>>>    4. Bad mobile app
>>>
>>>
>>> Some alternatives I think users enjoy using, and are well known in dev
>>> communities:
>>>
>>> *Rocket.chat <https://rocket.chat/>*
>>> Pros:
>>>
>>>    1. Open source chat (basically a friendly IRC replacement)
>>>    2. Self hosting is free, cloud options available, easy to deploy
>>>    with scripts
>>>    3. Slack-like interface
>>>    4. Good search functionality
>>>    5. Threads
>>>    <https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/pull/11803#issuecomment-455963816>
>>>    are being implemented
>>>    6. Usable mobile applications
>>>    7. Actively maintained + marketplace integrations
>>>    8. Can deploy at chat.interledger.org (would be happy to help).
>>>    9. Easy sign in with GitHub, just like gitter.
>>>
>>> Cons:
>>>
>>>    1. Not as well known as discord, slack or gitter from what I can
>>>    tell, but I expect it to continue to grow in usage down the line and gain
>>>    even more support than it already has.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Discord*
>>> Pros:
>>>
>>>    1. Commonly used
>>>    2. Free to use unlike sack
>>>    3. Fast and friendly
>>>    4. Solid mobile apps
>>>    5. Actively maintained
>>>    6. No self hosting or maintenance
>>>    7. Supports integrations
>>>
>>> Cons:
>>>
>>>    1. May not be free forever
>>>    2. Chat logs are owned by Discord
>>>    3. More complex interface than Slack/Rocket (some colleagues and I
>>>    describe it as heavier
>>>
>>>
>>> This list may not be complete in terms of pros and cons so please chime
>>> in if you have a personal preference or have something to say about these
>>> platforms or others. I've spent some time with both alternatives, you can
>>> generally find demos on their corresponding websites to see what you like
>>> best.
>>>
>>> *Akash Khosla*
>>> Fourth Year EECS
>>> akhosla@berkeley.edu
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Yuriy @html5cat <http://twitter.com/html5cat> Dybskiy
>>
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>> phone: +1 (650) 434-2004
>>
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