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Re: [Hyperledger Quilt] Proposal: Switching from Gitter to something else

From: Brian Kerr <brian@kava.io>
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 19:49:41 +0000
Message-ID: <jrqqwvey.76189ccf-446b-4fed-b06b-1299c4fbcd4c@we.are.superhuman.com>
To: "David Fuelling" <fuelling@ripple.com>
Cc: "Bhaves Shah" <bhaves.shah@jabjabgroup.com>, "Daniel Carroll" <daniel.carroll@secureblockchains.com>, "Yuriy Dybskiy" <yuriy@dybskiy.com>, ledger@ietf.org, public-interledger@w3.org, "Akash Khosla" <akhosla@berkeley.edu>
If we want to expand the community, I definitely would recommend switching to something that isn't forcing people to learn a new app.  Adding the hurdle of that will hurt on-boarding and engagement. 

I'd recommend slack or discord because most people already have the apps and are familiar with how to use them. 

Brian Kerr
Co-founder
Kava.io

On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 9:30 AM, David Fuelling < fuelling@ripple.com > wrote:

> 
> +1 for Slack. As a 2nd choice I would support 
> https://www.discourse.org (0x forum and chat use that and it seems nice).
> 
> 
> Agree we need to move off of Gitter.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 3:49 AM Akash Khosla < akhosla@berkeley.edu > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Gotcha, in that case I'll move the Hyperledger side to bcc to avoid
>> confusion - this is focused on the Interledger working group which
>> regularly uses Gitter.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:30 AM Silona Bonewald < sbonewald@linuxfoundation.org
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Silona the VP of community architecture for Hyperledger here 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm afraid this is something we cannot change easily. All of the projects
>>> at Hyperledger need to be on the same chat system. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Http://Chat.hyperledger.org which is rocket chat. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please follow Ry"s directions earlier about creating an LF ID. A Linux
>>> foundation ID.  Hyperledger also is a project under the Linux foundation
>>> and we also adhere to some of those standards as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As a community and especially quilt bring an interopability tool has to
>>> work within the larger community of Hyperledger.  We have a unified
>>> standard. You can read up on the Hyperledger project process more on the wiki.hyperledger.org
>>> ( http://wiki.hyperledger.org ) 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Silona
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 23:25 Daniel Carroll < daniel.carroll@secureblockchains.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It would likely be good to have a couple of different platforms. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I like Discord and Telegram for community chat and general sharing of
>>>> information. But both are limited in how you can breakdown information
>>>> into categories and maintain a logical history. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I like Slack and Trello for grouping chunks of data within a team
>>>> attempting productivity. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Bhaves Shah < bhaves.shah@jabjabgroup.com >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I assume when looking at the community at large we want a solution that is
>>>>> seccure in nature and also has the feature set to grow as the community
>>>>> grows, although cost could be an issue later..
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You may want to check -  https://flock.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Bhaves
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:36 AM, Yuriy Dybskiy < yuriy@dybskiy.com > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Akash, really great proposal!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been using Discord more and more lately so I'm definitely +1 on that
>>>>>> one. 
>>>>>> Rocket.chat ( http://rocket.chat/ ) is built with Meteor and I used to be a
>>>>>> huge fan of it so I'm +1 on that option as well :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Discord might be the easiest to setup and more polished so slight
>>>>>> preference there, but long term maybe Rocket.chat ( http://rocket.chat/ ) is
>>>>>> a better option.
>>>>>> Curious what others think.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 7:02 PM AKASH KHOSLA < akhosla@berkeley.edu > wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was wondering if there would be any interest in moving from Gitter to
>>>>>>> another platform. The main reason I bring this up is because Gitter could
>>>>>>> be out of the way for a lot of us and the application doesn't encourage
>>>>>>> dedicated usage. Email lists are a bit old school and signing up for the
>>>>>>> Interledger one is out of the way. I think the reason for such a cryptic
>>>>>>> interface for the w3c style/linux foundation emails list is sybil
>>>>>>> resistance and anti-spam since there are liberal write permissions to the
>>>>>>> lists. I think scaling the community requires something better than email
>>>>>>> and Gitter. Would be great to hear thoughts on this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Couple problems with Gitter:
>>>>>>> * Clunky interface
>>>>>>> * Poor separation of conversations/rooms
>>>>>>> * Bad search function
>>>>>>> * Bad mobile app
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some alternatives I think users enjoy using, and are well known in dev
>>>>>>> communities:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *Rocket.chat ( https://rocket.chat/ )*
>>>>>>> Pros:
>>>>>>> * Open source chat (basically a friendly IRC replacement)
>>>>>>> * Self hosting is free, cloud options available, easy to deploy with
>>>>>>> scripts
>>>>>>> * Slack-like interface
>>>>>>> * Good search functionality
>>>>>>> * Threads (
>>>>>>> https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/pull/11803#issuecomment-455963816
>>>>>>> ) are being implemented
>>>>>>> * Usable mobile applications
>>>>>>> * Actively maintained + marketplace integrations
>>>>>>> * Can deploy at chat.interledger.org ( http://chat.interledger.org ) (would
>>>>>>> be happy to help).
>>>>>>> * Easy sign in with GitHub, just like gitter.
>>>>>>> Cons:
>>>>>>> * Not as well known as discord, slack or gitter from what I can tell, but
>>>>>>> I expect it to continue to grow in usage down the line and gain even more
>>>>>>> support than it already has.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> *Discord*
>>>>>>> Pros:
>>>>>>> * Commonly used
>>>>>>> * Free to use unlike sack
>>>>>>> * Fast and friendly
>>>>>>> * Solid mobile apps
>>>>>>> * Actively maintained
>>>>>>> * No self hosting or maintenance
>>>>>>> * Supports integrations
>>>>>>> Cons:
>>>>>>> * May not be free forever
>>>>>>> * Chat logs are owned by Discord
>>>>>>> * More complex interface than Slack/Rocket (some colleagues and I describe
>>>>>>> it as heavier
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list may not be complete in terms of pros and cons so please chime in
>>>>>>> if you have a personal preference or have something to say about these
>>>>>>> platforms or others. I've spent some time with both alternatives, you can
>>>>>>> generally find demos on their corresponding websites to see what you like
>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *Akash Khosla*
>>>>>>> Fourth Year EECS
>>>>>>> akhosla@berkeley.edu
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yuriy @html5cat ( http://twitter.com/html5cat ) Dybskiy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> e-mail: yuriy@dybskiy.com
>>>>>> phone: +1 (650) 434-2004
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dybskiy.com ( http://dybskiy.com ) / Twitter ( http://twitter.com/html5cat
>>>>>> ) / GitHub ( http://github.com/html5cat ) / Linkedin (
>>>>>> http://ca.linkedin.com/in/dybskiy )
>>>>>> 
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