Re: AR Web

I'd have to say - this has already been tried. About 10 years ago, there
was a browser (Australian company, but I can't remember the name) that
specifically levitated standard HTML elements into the third dimension.
Went nowhere.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Josh Carpenter <joshcarpenter@google.com>
wrote:

> > Is it HTML elements in VR that is dead, or decomposable content in a
> regular web page? (or both?)
>
> Specifically we were investigating the ability to  take a traditional 2D
> HTML/CSS page, loaded in a XR viewing context (eg VR HMD), and
> progressively enhance it into a 3D composition, by using styles (eg 3D
> transforms) to position flat ements in 3D space, beyond the bounds of the
> parent window.
>
> The was part of a broader push to explore composable, declarative XR web
> layout standards. Distinct from imperative WebXR / WebGL.
>
> It’s not “dead” per se, as it wasn’t ever really alive. Aside from some
> very cool prototypes built on Firefox by my MozVR colleagues back in 2015
> (code that, AFAIK, was never merged to master).
>
> Rather, in the past six months our squad has deemed this approach probably
> too hard to be worth pursuing, relative to other approaches closer to what
> we’re talking about in this thread.
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 8:15 PM Rik Cabanier <rcabanier@magicleap.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:54 PM Josh Carpenter <joshcarpenter@google.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You might find those links I posted in my initial response interesting,
>>> John. I was for a while very enamored with the idea of being able to break
>>> page layouts into compositions in 3D space by leveraging CSS 3D transforms.
>>> At Moz and Google we built some prototypes that, to my satisfaction at
>>> least, demonstrated that the approach was easy for a relatively experienced
>>> web designer/dev to work with, and surprisingly compelling/fun. Turn a
>>> Vimeo video into a 60 ft screen in VR with a few lines of CSS :) The
>>> framework that Diego Marcos and team built to help enable to experiments at
>>> Moz was actually a forerunner of A-Frame in some ways. But more recently,
>>> based on cumulative discussions with browser engine people, we’ve come to
>>> believe that approach would be extremely hard to make work in existing
>>> engines, at web scale, and that the much better place to start is
>>> composable models in 2D compositions. That’s not to say the dream of HTML
>>> elements in 3D space is dead, but more back burnered, at least in my team’s
>>> thinking.
>>>
>>
>> Is it HTML elements in VR that is dead, or decomposable content in a
>> regular web page? (or both?)
>>
>> I can see that bringing HTML in VR would have a lot of landmines around
>> security and privacy but decomposable content should not be affected.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:30 PM John D. Gwinner <john@gwinner.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>Is there a group that is currently working on extending regular web
>>>> pages with 3D content?<<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had an idea a while ago about extending Wordpress pages into 3D
>>>> objects; sort of "spreading" the page around in 3D space, but that's about
>>>> all I've done so far. It would suddenly inject a lot of default content
>>>> into the world. Sort of a "Minority Report" API (how I explain it to
>>>> Hollywood types).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a (traditional) publisher that wanted me to cover WordPress
>>>> alongside A-Frame and React in my second book (I wrote the book "Getting
>>>> Started with React VR[now 360]", but the acquisition editor insisted on
>>>> WordPress being covered in the second VR book "because it was another one
>>>> of the larger web API's."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It did get me to thinking ... there could be something to that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> == John ==
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Rik Cabanier <rcabanier@magicleap.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2018 3:23 PM
>>>> *To:* public-immersive-web@w3.org
>>>> *Subject:* AR Web
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> last week at Magic Leap we released our browser Helio.
>>>> You can find an overview here: https://www.magicleap.
>>>> com/experiences/helio
>>>>
>>>> As part of its feature set, we created a set of extensions that allows
>>>> authors to create and manipulate 3D objects such as animated models and
>>>> textures. It also allows extraction so content can be pulled out of the
>>>> browser and placed in the user's environment.
>>>> To make development easy, we created a library called "Prismatic" that
>>>> provides a simple declarative syntax.
>>>>
>>>> We'd like to iterate on our current approach with others vendors and
>>>> work towards an open standard that works on 2D, AR and VR devices.
>>>> I looked at the current community and working groups but couldn't find
>>>> one that covers our current use case.
>>>>
>>>> My questions are:
>>>> - Is there a group that is currently working on extending regular web
>>>> pages with 3D content?
>>>> - If not, is anyone interested in working with us on this?
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you want more details on our current
>>>> implementation. I'm happy to explain.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>   Rik
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Josh Carpenter
>>> UX Lead, WebVR/AR
>>> Google
>>>
>> --
> Josh Carpenter
> UX Lead, WebVR/AR
> Google
>



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