- From: Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com>
- Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 17:39:20 +0000
- To: Marisa DeMeglio <marisa.demeglio@gmail.com>, "lwatson@tetralogical.com" <lwatson@tetralogical.com>
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I agree with Marisa. I think we should stick to the current topic and consider how we can make a difference in the future.
Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>
From: Marisa DeMeglio <marisa.demeglio@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 12:55 PM
To: lwatson@tetralogical.com
Cc: public-idcg@w3.org; Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com>; Daniel Appelquist <dan@torgo.com>; Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>; Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Subject: Re: W3C action/response to the BLM Movement
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Léonie asks:
If we, the ID CG, make a statement, should it focus on Black Lives
Matter (BLM) and racial equality because that has momentum right now,
should we include other types of diversity (other forms of racism,
ablism, sexism etc.) because they're important too, or something else?
Marisa says:
That’s a good question, and I don’t know the answer. I understand that the W3C has a broad global audience. However, I’m afraid that trying to address too many -isms at once blurs the focus. I’d be open to a discussion about racism in the context of the W3C, and then go from there regarding making a statement and recommending action.
Marisa
On Jun 6, 2020, at 05:09, Léonie Watson <lwatson@tetralogical.com<mailto:lwatson@tetralogical.com>> wrote:
Thank you Marisa. Your ideas are really helpful.
Although the possibility of the W3C making a statement may not be
possible, or at least easy, I believe we are free to make a statement as
the ID CG. I will raise the matter of the W3C making a statement with
the AB, but a statement from this CG would be a start.
I have a question for everyone, and if I'm clumsy in the way I ask it,
please be gentle, like many people I'm figuring this out as I go.
If we, the ID CG, make a statement, should it focus on Black Lives
Matter (BLM) and racial equality because that has momentum right now,
should we include other types of diversity (other forms of racism,
ablism, sexism etc.) because they're important too, or something else?
Léonie.
On 05/06/2020 23:26, Marisa DeMeglio wrote:
Hi all,
Great discussion. Really happy to see that everyone wants to make
positive changes! I am in PDT and would love to participate in a call.
Agree that actions speak loudest. I think making a statement, like Wendy
said to preface those actions, is important. I would hope it inspires
member orgs (like my own!) to speak up and take action themselves.
If I were writing our statement, it would include:
- Stating unequivocally that Black Lives Matter and silence is complicity
- Say that we recognize racism as a problem in our domain (tech/the
web/standards; pick one or more!)
- Commit to changes
- Ask our members to commit to change
- Include links to resources
Imagine if we *and* the member orgs took steps - that would be a good start!
I would especially love to see anti-racism work live at a high level
within the W3C. There are so many areas it is relevant to, from
representation in standards groups to biased algorithms [1], to
proliferation of hate on the web, that it seems like an overarching concern.
Thanks
Marisa
1. https://www.parkersoftware.com/blog/racism-in-technology-how-our-tools-acquire-bias/
On Jun 5, 2020, at 12:26, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org<mailto:jeff@w3.org>
<mailto:jeff@w3.org>> wrote:
All interesting ideas.
I particularly like the idea of providing equipment which can help
people both in the specific TPAC meeting, but can also improve
people's effectiveness beyond.
Jeff
On 6/5/2020 3:21 PM, Reid, Wendy wrote:
I definitely want to lead with action, but if we don't make a
statement, no one will know what action we intend to take, and if we
make a statement with no planned actions, it is a toothless one (bit
of a catch-22 I admit!).
I love the idea of reallocating the scholarship fund to supporting
invited experts. Something along the lines of providing funds to
people for expenses that would make participation easier for TPAC and
possibly long-term would be an interesting approach. I think if we
covered things like short term childcare so people can fully
participate in TPAC, equipment (do they need a webcam, microphone,
headset?), offsetting the costs of attending a meeting for several
days if they're an independent contractor, or other incidentals might
make an impact.
I'm going to spend the weekend thinking of other actions, I encourage
everyone to do so as well!
-Wendy
On 2020-06-05, 12:27 PM, "Daniel Appelquist" <dan@torgo.com<mailto:dan@torgo.com>
<mailto:dan@torgo.com>> wrote:
I'm in the UK and I'd like to participate if possible.
FWIW I agree with Chaals regarding actions speaking stronger than
words. The update to the CEPC is one action that I believe will play
a positive role. In addition to that, considering that TPAC is going
to be virtual, could we repurpose the money that member organisations
may have been allocating for a TPAC diversity scholarship fund into
some kind of fund to support "invited experts" engineers from
marginalised communities in w3c working groups?
Dan
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On Friday, 5 June 2020 15:33, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org<mailto:jeff@w3.org>
<mailto:jeff@w3.org>> wrote:
> I am in Eastern as well.
>
> On 6/5/2020 9:49 AM, Reid, Wendy wrote:
>
> > I'm in the eastern time zone as well!
> > On 2020-06-05, 9:34 AM, "Siegman, Tzviya" tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>
<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for starting the discussion, Wendy.
> >
> > I am in US Eastern time.
> >
> > Tzviya Siegman
> > Information Standards Lead
> > Wiley
> > 201-748-6884
> > tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com> <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Léonie Watson <lwatson@tetralogical.com<mailto:lwatson@tetralogical.com>
<mailto:lwatson@tetralogical.com>>
> > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 3:20 AM
> > To: Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com<mailto:wendy.reid@rakuten.com>
<mailto:wendy.reid@rakuten.com>>; public-idcg@w3.org<mailto:public-idcg@w3.org>
<mailto:public-idcg@w3.org>
> > Subject: Re: W3C action/response to the BLM Movement
> >
> > ⛔ This is an external email.
> >
> >
> > Thank you for raising this Wendy.
> >
> > I agree that we should take this opportunity to build on
the progress we've made by establishing this CG and the diversity
fund, and what the PWE CG has done with the Code of Ethics and
Professional Conduct (CEPC), because there is so much more we could do.
> >
> > A call would be a good place to share ideas and
suggestions, and of course this thread too.
> >
> > Scheduling calls is often an interesting challenge when
the participants come from many different places. As a first step
could I ask anyone who would be interested in attending a call to let
me know which time zone you are in? Email me at
lwatson@tetralogical.com<mailto:lwatson@tetralogical.com> <mailto:lwatson@tetralogical.com> if you do
not want to share that information on this thread.
> >
> > If you could do that by the end of your day on Tuesday 9
June), I will then try to find some meeting times that could work and
put together a Doodle poll so we can decide.
> >
> > The W3C has changed to using Zoom for conference calls.
If anyone has access or other needs that means we need to adapt the
way we use Zoom, or even find another platform if we need to, please
let me know - and again, you are welcome to email me directly.
> >
> >
> >
> > Léonie.
> > On 05/06/2020 00:03, Reid, Wendy wrote:
> > > Dear Colleagues,
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope everyone has been keeping well and safe during
these times. I
> > > wanted to reach out to this group as I believe we need
to do something
> > > to address the W3C’s lack of diversity and inclusion
in 2020, a time
> > > where we see protests for the rights of black people
take over not
> > > just the United States and Canada, but many other
places as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > The web is a platform for many great things, including
the organizing
> > > for many of these protests and movements, but it is
also where world
> > > leaders make threats and groups gather to profess
hate. As an
> > > organization we’ve built specifications around the
ideas of
> > > inclusivity, security, and privacy, but the faces in
the rooms where
> > > these discussions are held still do not reflect the
makeup of the
> > > world around us. Tech, and by extension the W3C, is
notoriously male and white.
> > >
> > >
> > > I notice that W3C has not yet made a public statement
about their
> > > support for the Black Lives Matter movement, and I
wanted to come here
> > > because if/when that happens, the logical request will
be for what
> > > actions is W3C intending to make to address our lack
of diversity.
> > >
> > >
> > > So I raise the question here first, because I think
everyone here is
> > > of the mind that we should do something. I do think
this should be a
> > > sentiment and action that comes from W3M, the AB, AC,
and the members
> > > as a whole, but I hope we can come up with a starting
point for
> > > everyone to build off of.
> > >
> > >
> > > What should W3C do about the lack of diversity in our
working groups
> > > and F2F meetings?
> > >
> > > How can we as an organization support community
members who are
> > > limited in participation by factors like economics,
family situation, geography?
> > >
> > > What actions should we take to recruit more members
from diverse
> > > backgrounds and retain them once they are here?
> > >
> > >
> > > I propose we have a call soon to discuss these
matters, but I will
> > > leave that judgement to the chairs. Thank you for your
consideration.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Wendy Reid
> > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> >
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