- From: Coralie Mercier <coralie@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:27:13 +0100
- To: Inclusion and Diversity Community Group <public-idcg@w3.org>
Hi all, The minutes of the Inclusion and Diversity CG meeting held yesterday are available: https://www.w3.org/2020/12/15-idcg-minutes.html Reminder: Please join the Positive Work Environment CG with which this group will merge. https://www.w3.org/community/pwe/ Text version of the minutes: ============================ – DRAFT – IDCG meeting 15 December 2020 [2]IRC log. [2] https://www.w3.org/2020/12/15-idcg-irc Attendees Present ada, Amy_Guy, Coralie, Dan, Estella, Judy, Lola_Odela, Léonie, Nishad_Thalhath, rhiaro, Te_Leta, Tobie, tzviya, wendyreid Regrets wseltzer Chair Léonie Watson Scribe rhiaro Contents 1. [3]Merging with PWE CG 2. [4]Actions progress Meeting minutes <koalie> [5]Previous (2020-12-01) [5] https://www.w3.org/2020/12/01-idcg-minutes.html Merging with PWE CG tink: we discussed the possibility of merging the two CGs, there's a lot of activity in both groups but as coralie and I need tos tep down as chairs, we decided joining forces would make the most sense … the PWE met and discussed this last week and cameto the conclusioin that this was a good way forward … all our activities on inclusion and diversity are going to continue, but within the PWE CG … apologies for some admin overhead … if you're not already members of PWE please go and join up <koalie> [6]https://www.w3.org/community/pwe/ [6] https://www.w3.org/community/pwe/ tink: so we can continue working on those activities tobie: my concern is that it doesn't give the appearance from the outside, no longer have an IDCG tzviya: we're not going to close the IDCG, we'll leave it open for several months, and on the email list and github everything will be open … liz and I are going to work on writing a draft charter that we'll share with the group in the first meeting we'll have as a joint group in january … and we'll talk about the factw e're not closing down divisity and inclusion efforts … we want to make sure it does not look like we're closing down these efforts … we had discussion about which name to choose … some of the feedback we got, while for some people it's attractive to have a name like inclusion and diversity, for some people it's not … in particular people of colour are asked to step up to represent the inclusion and diversity efforts and there's a lot of fatigue that comes with that … and there might be work happening in this group that's attractive, the fact it's called the diversity group might be unattractive … we'll be continuing work on the ombudsperson program, which people might have experience with, it's not traditionally something done in a diveristy and inclusion group … we want to welcome all voices but not have the fatigue of being forced to represent a group … but we're going to do everything we can to make sure it doesn't look like w3c is closing down inclusion and diversity efforts tink: something to be said for the immediate practicality of this plan - coralie and I will not be able to chair after the end of this year … Liz has kindly agreed to team up with tzviya to cochair the new CG as it goes forward <koalie> liz++ tink: one step at a time, we needed to find a solution that will enable the activities of both groups to continue <koalie> tzviya++ tink: as tzviya said we took up dan's suggestion we took up to charter. Neither CG has a charter … writing a more sensible charter seems like a good thing to do … trying to get done before christmas is just impossible, so thinking about that in the new year … and even renaming the CG … that encompasses what it wants to achieve butw ithout the concerns tzviya raised … that's theshort term plan. Everything after that, there's clearly lots more work to do <koalie> [Judy arrives] Actions progress torgo: we talked about the mentoring office hours thing, I saw a test page go up, but I haven't see .. when is that due to launch and what is the messaging around that? … I saw my name on it, I'm happy to be part of it, but what is the schedule and who is on tap to do that? tink: we don't have an immediate scehdule, I was on the hook but I haven't had time to think about messaging or anythign beyond that … we've collected the volunteers and the information is current but I haven't had time or energy to take it further … if someone can help with that that would be wonderful … it's pretty close to being ready tzviya: I haven't updated this in github but I was talkign to sheila (?) from bocoup about how to better manage the reading list … she had some excellent suggestions, … suggested we have a vetting committee of three people, and I wanted to put out a call for volunteers to help me vet the reading list … we figure out a way to do this in github … so if someone submits something we are responsible for reading through the material and making sure it's worthwhile … and will also help with some organisation … and I have some items I'dl ike to add to the reading list, but need some help vetting … if anyone is interested in volunteering? <koalie> [7]https://www.w3.org/community/idcg/ inclusion-and-diversity-office-hours/ (see password in zoom chat) [7] https://www.w3.org/community/idcg/inclusion-and-diversity-office-hours/ tink: anyone have time to put into that? … maybe a good activity for some of the newer joiners to the CG to get involved in lola: what is the reading list for? <koalie> the CG blog view should at some point be updated to match [8]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/blob/master/ office-hours.html [8] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/blob/master/office-hours.html tzviya: it started off as something that those of us working on the code of conduct collected, and expanded into here is stuff you should know if you're working on inclusiveness and diversity … I wanted to add a whitepaper about dismantling racism … there's al ot of information about people of colour in tech, women in tech … we try to keep it to articles more than books … it's vetting things so people in the community can be informed about what our biases are and perhaps how we can do something about them lola: I'd be happy to join that tzviya: I'd like one more person tink: I'd be happy to help, though I'm not sure if I'm the right person to vet estella: I would be happy to join torgo: coralie posted a link about the office hours, I thought I saw ap age with more names on … so I think we have some sync issues here, my name isn't on that list … I saw a page that leonie sent me that did have my name <koalie> most updated: [9]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/blob/ master/office-hours.html [9] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/blob/master/office-hours.html tink: the page I've been working on is in our repo koalie: we started with the wordpress list and then we created the github thing and we moved office hours between the github list which is the most updated and the staged blog page in github … at some point we'll ahve to make those match or figure out a way to show theo ffice hours from github … the blog for the idcg was staged to show the office hours as a page on the right hand side of the homepage tink: it sounds like we've got a blog post that needs to be complete koalie: it's not a blog post it's a page … I shared the password in the zoom chat … there is the content that we had developed at the time which is outdated now tink: I'll take a look after the call torgo: I'm happy to spot check the page but I don't control the wordpress … I think it'd be a good thing to publish and talk about before the holidays wendyreid: I want to give an update on the issue about the statement … I said this in an email, I haven't posted it yet, I did draft after the meeting with Kim I drafted a new version of the statement … I was frustrated it didnt' do the job it was supposed to do and I wanted to re-center the appropriate meaning … I will post it in the issue once I add some changes … I would love everyone's feedback tink: thanks wendy, with full acknowledgement that I'm the worst person to have a sensible opinion on whether it hits the right note and intention or not, I thought it responded well to a lot of Kim's feedback … it'd be great to share it with the group … Actual activity, this is good! … Any more updates? … I've noticed a few more WGs seem to be sending out welcome emails by default now as opposed to the standard sysbot messages koalie: carin from the project team, there was an aspect of project team work that was onboarding, as part of this she created webhooks in github … chairs can go in and create a template and use something that looks like lisp with parantheses or curly bracets … automaticaly every new CG or WG or IG participant receives the welcome messge that the chair or co chair or team contact have determined and the chairs and team contacts are ccd … so that's very good progress for welcoming new people to any of our groups tink: that sounds good, anything more we can od to help with that? koalie: I was expecting more uptake for this, it takes very little time to set up and is completely automated … it uses the database.. when we fold the idcg within the pwe group whether I was going to have to change anything and carin said no, so long as the database is up to date … maybe here there are some people who are cochairs of groups and want to leverage this tink: I was going ot ask if anyone had asked the chairs … I didn't recall a message going out to chairs … might be worth doing it again koalie: there was one in october tink: other chairs may not have had time, worth promoting or asking team contacts tzviya: I don't remember the message but I'm a chair, our team contact pointed out to us that we could customise it … people may have missed how to cusotmise it … and a reminder to say this exists, make it useful tink: It's certainly made things easier, before we were sending out those emails manually torgo: not sure which work item this is, I think it's in an issue, some update on the call to action that we were suggesting jeff make to the AC? … what happened with that? … we were askng jeff to challenge the AC to send more diverse people to W3C … I lost track of where that action stood or what the current status was … we had a draft text written at one point? tink: I don't recall we got to that point. There is an issue … we had a nomination guidence.. issue 18 <tink> [10]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/18 [10] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/18 tink: jeff was the last one to comment torgo: seems to have got bogged down in some kind of debate with chris wilson tink: tobie had suggested a pledge by the looks of it torgo: I don't know, I think chris is making a yes but kind of arguement.. and I think we should be more strong about ... there are multiple things we an do … we shouldn't be stopped because we feel like oh well we can't do anything … I feel like that's the energy that chris is coming at us with here in his response … it's about how do companies that participate in w3c view the contributions to standards internally when it comes to career progression in their own orgs … I heard something like this recently from somebody who is working in w3c and is someone frm an underrperesented group and told me their org doesnt' value thier work in this arena, it doesn't count towards career progression … as much as they would like to do this work … I don't think w3c can have that much leverage over orgs to encourage them to not think in that way … but it doesn't mean we an't do anything … we should be at least sending out a message from w3c, from jeff ideally, saying we really want to encouarge, cajole, convince tink: i think you're right, getting a message out is probably the firs tstep on a longer road … it could be as simple as saying please do all you can to send a diverse group of particpatins to w3c, and what does that mean … we could include soem bullet points, look to people withing your own communities that represent their own groups to find volunteers … it doesn't need to be complicated torgo: I can write a message or a draft text … this is an important point koalie: there have been a few things done on our end, I can think of 3 <koalie> ------------------------------------------ <koalie> More Diverse Set of Representatives <koalie> ------------------------------------------ <koalie> This year we would like to challenge W3C members to send more diverse <koalie> candidates to virtual TPAC. Please encourage your experienced colleagues <koalie> to mentor them. koalie: first, i the mail we sent early july to announce the format of tpac, one of the sections in the middle was this ^ … that was made as a direct result of our conversatins within this group … but it wasn't from jeff … second thing was that during the AC at tpac wendyreid gave a presentation to the members about diversity … and inclusion … she made the difficult ask for them to send a more diverse group or try to discuss that at least to get things in motion … and jeff in his ceo overview introduced wendy's presentation … he mentioned it there as well … that's the three things I can think of … but what we could get benefit from is advice from peple who know how to drive similar campaigns because we don't know how to do that … as leonie said rightfully, what we can ask from w3c members in terms of who they decide to send? tink: it does make me wonder if tobie's idea of a pledge is worth looking at … a statement that is not there on behalf of the w3c, we sidestep the need to go through AC endorsement … but it is the thing that we could encourage our members to sign up to … see if we can encourage it by social influence … as more member orgs say yes we'll commit to trying to uphold this kind of pledge for diverse contribution … tobie is that what you had in mind? tobie: yes it was, I'm wondering if it wold make sense to find a few orgs who would support it when we do announcement about it, earlier outreach to see who would be willing … and determine exactly what people are pledging torgo: I think a pledge is a good idea … I was thinking about a request coming from w3c management to the AC to encourage them, something along the lines of the text that koalie mentioned for tpac but focussing more on w3c working group and cg participation rather than tpac … something like please consider diversity when making deicsions about putting people forward to participate .... *reads something really fast* … better than not doing anything … I think a pledge is also a great idea … that could come from this group … that doesn't need to be endorsed by w3c m or team … that could be something this group produces <Judy> +1 to the rough suggestion of text that Dan just gave; it's explanatory, and encouraging. tobie: there are orgs for which diversity and inclusion is really important and they often talk about … we should try ot leverage those who actually do care about it tink: sounded like the words you just scribbled dan could be both things … the way you'd written it was very statemten like but listening to you read them then it would be quite easy to change it slightly so it became a "I pledge to.." … it seems like the gist is probably quite closely aligned tzviya: I like the direction of the pledge but in the past we've talked about not just focussing on diversity but inclusion … we have samsung here, and amy from digital bazaar … if we're looking for companies to spotlight we could do something there … one of the things we've been cautioned against is inclusion … inviting people but also making them welcome … I'd love to figure out how we get that inclusiveness message in along with the diversity message … I agree about shifting some of this work back to the organisation … I'd liek to talk about how we do that. I'ts important that diversity and inclusion becomes a part of w3c and the core messaging … and we figure out what is the job of this CG and what is the job of the organisation … I want to know what the AB should be pushing w3c on … it's important for us to think about what the job of this group andwhich tasks we want tos pread around … I welcome feedback with all of my hats on … my logistics issue, I need some help associating peoples github accounts with w3c accounts if you can shoot the link … there's a page of instructions somewhere … thanks wendy tink: seemed like our immediate volunteer was dan to put some words together torgo: writing now tink: that will give us something to use tobie: Im happy to do review and work with dan tink: the other thing, going back to tzviya's point about making w3c welcming one someone has joined … I wonder if there's any way we can between us get some feedback from people who have joined or started to particpate more recently … I know we have several people who joined this cg for the first time in the past few weeks, I don't know if any of you are new to w3c as a whole … possibly between us we have colleauges joining the community for the first time. It would be good to talk to peple who have recently been in that position to find out what their experience was if theyr'e comfortable sharing it … I have been at this far too long to remember what this was like apart from scary and confusing (a long time ago) … Any other actions/updates? torgo: to reiterate, people who are currently i nthe idcg, should join the pwe cg … and after today we will be having joint pwe cg calls which are both groups tink: yep tzviya: i'm goign to be sending an invitation for the first meeting, which will be 19th january … we have a month break … I'll be around, feel free to reach out … we can continue to do work … we'll be sending an agenda, cleaning the trackers and merging github repos, and working on a draft charter … the meeting will be on tuesdays, 2nd and 4th, one hour later than this meeting … the first one will be on the third tuesday because of availability … I'll be sending an agenda a week in advance and we look forward to seeing you there torgo: is there a slack channel on the w3c community slack that we're using or we can spin up to encourage more async communication? … I'm happy to do that tzviya: yeah do it torgo: I'm doing it now <koalie> people may join the W3C community slack using <[11]https://join.slack.com/t/w3ccommunity/shared_invite/ zt-cr70arnm-znGpbS~9_7KdQ9tK9XIzMA> [11] https://join.slack.com/t/w3ccommunity/shared_invite/zt-cr70arnm-znGpbS~9_7KdQ9tK9XIzMA> <koalie> rhiaro, yes, w3c team and w3c community (free plans for both, though) tzviya: we had the discussion in pwe about naming but not in this group. how do people feel in this group about whether we go pwe or inclusiveness and diversity? … anybody have any strong feelings? tobie: outside of what I said at the beginning, no tink: we'll continue with these actions, which ever group they are in … thanks all tink: I hope you all get some down time and can relax as much as possible … thank you all so much for your time and effort tzviya: thank you leonie and coralie for chairing! <tink> @Coarlie could you send me an email with links and info for finding/editing the office hours blog post? <koalie> yes, tink, will do <koalie> rhiaro, let me find a better link for w3c community slack, then <koalie> rhiaro, [12]https://twitter.com/w3c/status/ 1252972104456306688 [12] https://twitter.com/w3c/status/1252972104456306688 thanks koalie, that works Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by [13]scribe.perl version 124 (Wed Oct 28 18:08:33 2020 UTC). 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