- From: Léonie Watson <lwatson@tetralogical.com>
- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:39:15 +0100
- To: Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>, public-idcg@w3.org
I have a concern with Marisa's proposed change. If we specifically say we do not support violence against marginalised people it implies that we do support it against non-marginalised people, and I don't think I'm comfortable with that as a flat statement. The trouble is that this is a very nuanced topic and we do not have the ability to explain the nuances in the statement. So I prefer a simple statement about us not supporting violence, because unwarranted violence is done against people from all communities, and since we can't explain exactly what we do and don't mean, keeping it simple feels like the right approach to me. Léonie. On 21/08/2020 22:00, Annette Greiner wrote: > I'm okay with the original suggestion and Marisa's change, but I doubt > that the formal objection will be addressed by the latter. > > -Annette > > On 8/21/20 10:26 AM, Teixeira, Mateus wrote: >> >> I’m ok with the originally proposed change, but I prefer Marisa’s >> suggestion. So-- >> >> +0 on the original proposal. >> >> +1 to Marisa’s addition of “against marginalized communities.” >> >> Best, >> >> Mateus >> >> *From: *"Reid, Wendy" <wendy.reid@rakuten.com> >> *Date: *Friday, August 21, 2020 at 5:58 AM >> *To: *Tobie Langel <tobie@unlockopen.com>, Daniel Appelquist >> <dan@torgo.com> >> *Cc: *Inclusion and Diversity Community Group <public-idcg@w3.org>, >> Marisa DeMeglio <marisa.demeglio@gmail.com>, vagner <vagner@nic.br> >> *Subject: *Re: Request for consensus to add text in the BLM statement >> *Resent-From: *<public-idcg@w3.org> >> *Resent-Date: *Friday, August 21, 2020 at 5:58 AM >> >> >> *EXTERNAL EMAIL* >> >> +1 to Marisa’s rewording >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cccd8efdbb48f4b0f25c408d845d1e546%7C2916ea148f244be68a2d3afc0c7a4892%7C0%7C0%7C637336115080932473&sdata=vA5XM6wh01n35JbbM1Wy25T3d2Kl3GNGSfwwgWc0kGQ%3D&reserved=0> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*Tobie Langel <tobie@unlockopen.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2020 7:09:32 AM >> *To:* Daniel Appelquist <dan@torgo.com> >> *Cc:* Inclusion and Diversity Community Group <public-idcg@w3.org>; >> Marisa DeMeglio <marisa.demeglio@gmail.com>; vagner <vagner@nic.br> >> *Subject:* Re: Request for consensus to add text in the BLM statement >> >> +1 to Marisa’s rewording too. >> >> —tobie >> >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 12:39 Daniel Appelquist <dan@torgo.com >> <mailto:dan@torgo.com>> wrote: >> >> I was Ok with the original proposal, and definite +1 to the >> Marisa's proposed rewording. >> >> Dan >> >> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> >> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 23:36, vagner <vagner@nic.br >> <mailto:vagner@nic.br>> wrote: >> >> Much better this addition. >> >> Vagner. >> >> Enviado do meu Samsung Mobile da Claro >> >> -------- Mensagem original -------- >> >> De : Marisa DeMeglio <marisa.demeglio@gmail.com >> <mailto:marisa.demeglio@gmail.com>> >> >> Data: 20/08/2020 18:56 (GMT-03:00) >> >> Para: Inclusion and Diversity Community Group >> <public-idcg@w3.org <mailto:public-idcg@w3.org>> >> >> Assunto: Re: Request for consensus to add text in the BLM >> statement >> >> -1 >> >> I am afraid of our statement having a subtext that equates >> endorsing BLM with endorsing violence. Because otherwise why >> would we feel the need to add that line? This was never >> supposed to be a statement about all the things we support and >> don’t support. It’s specifically a statement of support for BLM. >> >> I would however be happy with adding this: >> >> "We unequivocally stand against racism, injustice, and >> violence against marginalized communities.” >> >> Marisa >> >> > On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:47, Ralph Swick <swick@w3.org >> <mailto:swick@w3.org>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > IDCG Participants, >> >> > >> >> > As you know, the W3C Process allows for formal objections to >> a group decision. A formal objection is a request to the W3C >> Director to consider when evaluating the related decision. >> >> > >> >> > During the W3C Member review of the proposed W3C Statement >> on Black Lives Matter a formal objection was raised. I have >> been delegated to try to find a consensus resolution to this >> formal objection on behalf >> >> > of the W3C Director. >> >> > >> >> > I share with you part of the objector's statement and >> following that a change (addition) to the text of the BLM >> statement. The objector has confirmed that this would resolve >> the objection to their satisfaction. >> >> > >> >> > Quoting from the objector's statement: >> >> > >> >> > "I believe it is important to clearly state what we _do_ and >> _do not_ >> >> > support as W3C organization. We support true equality, we >> support any >> >> > lawful action that aims to fight injustice, but we do not >> condone >> >> > violence or destruction of property. In numerous cases, the >> peaceful >> >> > protests for right social cause were hijacked by radical >> extremists, >> >> > and their violent actions [that clearly deviate from the >> established >> >> > social norms and the rule of law] only diminish the >> importance of >> >> > "Black Lives Matter" message. I do not believe that being >> vocal about >> >> > the rightful cause while being silent about radical >> violations of >> >> > social norms sends the right message - we all know too well that >> >> > silence is approval. We do not tolerate any behaviors that >> violate >> >> > our own social norms, we openly speak against any violations >> of the >> >> > W3C Code of Conduct - I do not see why our stance on the larger >> >> > social issue should be any different. >> >> > >> >> > "Our stated position should clearly communicate the fact >> that while >> >> > we do support all marginalized and underrepresented >> communities, and >> >> > we support their fight for true equality, we do not condone any >> >> > violence or unlawful actions!" >> >> > >> >> > The objector states they will withdraw their Formal >> Objection to the proposed statement if the following sentence >> is incorporated into paragraph 6: >> >> > >> >> > "As an organization, W3C believes that Black Lives Matter. >> >> > /+We unequivocally stand against racism, injustice, and >> violence.+/ >> >> > We also stand in support of our Indigenous colleagues, >> colleagues >> >> > of color, LGBTQI+ colleagues, and colleagues with disabilities. >> >> > >> >> > I solicit your view on this change, preferably no later than >> 27 August. >> >> > >> >> > Regards, >> >> > Ralph Swick, W3C >> >> > >> > -- > Annette Greiner (she) > NERSC Data and Analytics Services > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > -- Director @TetraLogical https://tetralogical.com
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