Re: Fullwidth/upright vertical characters in Mongolian

Yeah, Chinese fonts produced in the mainland China are usually required by the national standards to support a certain set of basic Cyrillic letters, and their glyphs are usually drawn in the same style (1 em wide, non-proportional) of fullwidth Latin ones for certain reasons, although their Unicode characters are not " fullwidth ".

梁海 Liang Hai
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:22 AM, Badral S. <badral@bolorsoft.com> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Sorry for the confusion. I thought all CJK fonts, because every CJK font
seems to contain fullwith cyrillic, which appears indeed ugly. If you
meant the unicode range U+FF00-U+FF60, then certainly dosn't exist such
cyrillic characters.

Badral

On 23.01.2017 20:42, r12a wrote:
> On 19/01/2017 18:22, r12a wrote:
>> see https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/vertical-text.en#upright
>> for more context.
>
> Greg, Jirimutu, Badral,
>
> Thanks for your responses! Let me try to synthesise what i heard
> here, to check whether i understood correctly, and ask some follow-on
> questions. (It would be great if you have examples to hand that you
> could scan and send, btw.)
>
> ARE FULLWIDTH LATIN CHARACTERS USED IN MONGOLIAN?
>
> Greg has seen full-width punctuation characters. (It would be great if
> you could give me some examples of what kinds of punctuation
> characters.) I'm assuming that it wouldn't include the fullwidth
> commas and periods you see in Chinese text but perhaps it includes
> question marks? Parentheses and brackets?
>
> Jirimutu mentioned what i understood to be counters for lists – is
> that correct? If so, that's interesting, since i was going to ask
> about that specific case.
>
> Badral mentioned that he'd seen full-width Latin + Cyrillic
> characters. The addition of cyrillic here is interesting because there
> are no fullwidth cyrillic characters in Unicode afaik. Is a font
> applied to achieve that effect?
>
>
> IS IT COMMON TO HAVE 'UPRIGHT' NON-CJKM CHARACTERS IN MONGOLIAN?
>
> I should have probably already mentioned that i expect Han characters
> to be upright in vertical Mongolian text, and that this is produced by
> default when using CSS styling. UTR#50 [1] describes the vo property,
> which indicates which characters appear upright by default, and which
> are rotated (and in some cases transformed).
>
> I'm hearing, however, that there are occasions where Latin text, and
> characters such as digits may appear upright, although by default they
> run down the page on their side.
>
> Jirimutu also mentioned characters such as circled digits, which it
> seems logical to see upright.
> http://www.mongolfont.com/mn/computer/history.html shows circled
> digits for list counters, but there is CSS styling to make them
> display on their side, rather than appear upright (which would be the
> default for those characters). So that suggests to me that content
> authors may want these list counters may appear sideways, rather than
> upright (which is their natural default according to Unicode properties).
>
> I guess i should probably have asked whether fullwidth characters
> always stand upright, or whether they can also run down the page on
> their side.
>
> cheers,
> ri
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr50/
>


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