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Re: Fullwidth/upright vertical characters in Mongolian

From: Badral S. <badral@bolorsoft.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:22:32 +0100
To: public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
Message-ID: <996d9094-f06e-c911-3160-da911cbdc614@bolorsoft.com>
Hi Richard,
Sorry for the confusion. I thought all CJK fonts, because every CJK font 
seems to contain fullwith cyrillic, which appears indeed ugly. If you 
meant the unicode range U+FF00-U+FF60, then certainly dosn't exist such 
cyrillic characters.


On 23.01.2017 20:42, r12a wrote:
> On 19/01/2017 18:22, r12a wrote:
>> see https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/vertical-text.en#upright
>> for more context.
> Greg, Jirimutu, Badral,
> Thanks for your responses!  Let me try to synthesise what i heard 
> here, to check whether i understood correctly, and ask some follow-on 
> questions.  (It would be great if you have examples to hand that you 
> could scan and send, btw.)
> Greg has seen full-width punctuation characters. (It would be great if 
> you could give me some examples of what kinds of punctuation 
> characters.)  I'm assuming that it wouldn't include the fullwidth 
> commas and periods you see in Chinese text but perhaps it includes 
> question marks? Parentheses and brackets?
> Jirimutu mentioned what i understood to be counters for lists – is 
> that correct?  If so, that's interesting, since i was going to ask 
> about that specific case.
> Badral mentioned that he'd seen full-width Latin + Cyrillic 
> characters. The addition of cyrillic here is interesting because there 
> are no fullwidth cyrillic characters in Unicode afaik. Is a font 
> applied to achieve that effect?
> I should have probably already mentioned that i expect Han characters 
> to be upright in vertical Mongolian text, and that this is produced by 
> default when using CSS styling.  UTR#50 [1] describes the vo property, 
> which indicates which characters appear upright by default, and which 
> are rotated (and in some cases transformed).
> I'm hearing, however, that there are occasions where Latin text, and 
> characters such as digits may appear upright, although by default they 
> run down the page on their side.
> Jirimutu also mentioned characters such as circled digits, which it 
> seems logical to see upright. 
> http://www.mongolfont.com/mn/computer/history.html shows circled 
> digits for list counters, but there is CSS styling to make them 
> display on their side, rather than appear upright (which would be the 
> default for those characters).  So that suggests to me that content 
> authors may want these list counters may appear sideways, rather than 
> upright (which is their natural default according to Unicode properties).
> I guess i should probably have asked whether fullwidth characters 
> always stand upright, or whether they can also run down the page on 
> their side.
> cheers,
> ri
> [1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr50/

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