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RE: Defense of NP before UTC

From: Deborah W. Anderson <dwanders@sonic.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:52:57 -0800
To: "'Greg Eck'" <greck@postone.net>, "'Michel Suignard'" <michel@suignard.com>, <ishida@w3.org>, <public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org>
Cc: <lisam@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <001301d141db$a4660e10$ed322a30$@sonic.net>
Dear Greg,
Your current DS01 is a wealth of information and would be fine as a document in the Unicode document registry. (Yes, it could be submitted for posting in the current format to docsubmit@unicode.org.   Eventually it could be turned into a Unicode Technical Note.)
Q: What does the grey highlighting indicate in DS01?

The UTC will need a proposal document that clearly shows the changes you want to make to the current standard, as these will need to be approved by the UTC.  I would suggest you create a separate document with these requests, with the rationale.  In the document to the UTC, you can refer to DS01 as background. 
 
Changes for the UTC would include:
*any change in property (i.e., changing U+1885 and U+1886 to a combining character [having a dotted circle], if that is what you intend)
*any new characters (FVS4), etc.
*a change of representative glyph in the code chart (especially if it is a marked change), but not needed for the contextual forms (which Michel now shows in the CD draft repertoire)
* Additions/corrections to StandardizedVariants.txt will be needed, too (http://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/StandardizedVariants.txt )

Note: I haven't been reading all the email on this list, so Michel, Andrew, or Kamal would probably have a better idea of other items that need to be discussed at the UTC.

As I mentioned earlier, you can also include recommendations for changes in the names list. At a later point, it would be helpful to get suggestions on corrections to the text of the Mongolian chapter of the Unicode Standard, too.

Hope this helps,
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Eck [mailto:greck@postone.net] 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:03 PM
To: Deborah W. Anderson <dwanders@sonic.net>; 'Michel Suignard' <michel@suignard.com>; ishida@w3.org; public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
Cc: lisam@us.ibm.com
Subject: RE: Defense of NP before UTC

Hi Debbie,

Thanks for the explanation of procedures.
I will plan to call on a normal phone line to try to get the better call quality.
I am happy to have your help in preparing the document - I will be using the current DS01 with your modifications.
I will work towards the January 11 date for submission.
Will docsubmit@unicode.org handle my current DS01 ok?

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Deborah W. Anderson [mailto:dwanders@sonic.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 6:10 AM
To: Greg Eck <greck@postone.net>; 'Michel Suignard' <michel@suignard.com>; ishida@w3.org; public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
Subject: RE: Defense of NP before UTC

Dear Greg,
I can answer on behalf of Michel: Yes, you are welcome to call in during the UTC (January 25-28, 2016). Because of scheduling (and your time zone), you should arrange in advance the date/time with the UTC Chair, Lisa Moore (lisam@us.ibm.com). The conference call-in number will be at the top of the UTC agenda, which will be posted before the meeting. You can also call in via Skype, I believe, though it doesn't always work very well. 

As Michel notes, it is best to submit a document with the proposed changes so the UTC can have a physical document to review.  You can include requests for editorial changes (such as for Baludas) in your document. Editorial changes are often forwarded on to the Unicode Editorial Committee by the UTC, but any glyph changes will need to be discussed in the UTC.

Documents should be sent at least one week in advance of the UTC (hence by 18 January) to:  docsubmit@unicode.org.  I also run a script ad hoc group that meets about 2 weeks before the UTC and makes recommendations to the UTC (and helps it run more smoothly). Ideally, it would be best to submit the document earlier - say, by by 11 January. 

If you wish, I'd be happy to work with you on the format, so the document is easy for the UTC to follow.  

Let me know if you have any questions.
With best wishes,
Debbie





-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Eck [mailto:greck@postone.net] 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:10 AM
To: Michel Suignard <michel@suignard.com>; ishida@w3.org; public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
Subject: Defense of NP before UTC

Michel,
I would be interested in defending the NP proposal toward the end of January.
I think we are just about at consensus on most points.
The only thing is that I would not be able to come to the States - is it possible to conference call in to the UTC?
Greg

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Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 4:53 AM
Subject: RE: U+1885 / U+1886 changed from Letter to Mark

BTW, it would be great to have some proposal for these changes presented at the UTC end of January. I have already implemented a version of DS01 in the CD5.2 10646 which is the Unicode 9.0 backbone for Mongolian but will obviously update accordingly to the decision/consensus of this group. 

Michel
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