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RE: Mongolian Variation Sequences Missing from Unicode 8.00 Code Chart

From: Michel Suignard <michel@suignard.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 03:03:11 +0000
To: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, Greg Eck <greck@postone.net>
CC: Richard Wordingham <richard.wordingham@ntlworld.com>, "public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org" <public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org>
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>From: Richard Ishida [mailto:ishida@w3.org] 

>On 03/08/2015 06:51, Michel Suignard wrote:
>> The standardizedvariants document is being deprecated by the UTC in favor of the code charts that now contain the same information with improved glyphs. Please use the Mongolian 8.0 code charts as current reference. I had been working on the past with Greg to improve the status of the descriptions of these variants. Another improvement of these code charts is to soon show all contextual forms (isolated, initial, medial, and final) to facilitate the reading of the varaiants which are themselves contextual.
>>
>> I should be able to provide soon a full example of the variants and all contextual forms.

>just a reminder, fwiw, that the NP column at http://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/variants

represents the data in the DS01 document, which i believe is very close to, if not the same as, the information that Michel has.

I figured out what went wrong for Unicode 8.0. I had started working on re-implementing the 8.0 chart according to DS01 (I think the latest version I had was October 30, 2014) expecting that it would be well done before 8.0 shipped (it didn't happen). Problem is that you can't produce 7.0 Mongolian charts and the new DS01 with the same production environment. So what is now in 8.0 is hopelessly broken (I use a new Unibook font configuration file which is incompatible with the 7.0 definition). 
The only way to fix it is to use the 7.0 charts for now. Those were done in a way to represent the same info as standardizedvariants.

The best I can do is create a work document in Unicode code chart format that represents the latest DS01. I will stay away of discussion on the FVS because there are good experts on this list and my intent was really to reflect in the chart as best as I could the consensus reached by the real experts. I think DS01 is a good starting point. The latest version has some notable differences with what is documented in that NP column referenced above.

I am using a modified Mongolian Baiti font based on the Windows 8.1 version, there may be some limitations on the glyphs I can show but I can be inventive as long the glyph exists somewhere in the font.

The main thing I can't duplicate from DS01 is the script usage (the '(xxxx)' thing), well I could sort of do it, but it will mean an extra line per form.

Finally, it would be nice if the latest DS01 pdf document was printable (my HP printer will just barf at it in either PCL or PS mode), still a paper guy when doing that kind of work. It could an HP driver issue though.

Michel
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