[I18N ITS] Teleconference Minutes 2007-01-31

... are at http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html and below
as text. I updated the Bugzilla entries for CR issues, see
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=ITS&component=ITS+tagset&version=CR&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
.

It would be great if you could have a short look at Bugzilla to see if
the entries are clear and correct.

Thanks,

Felix

   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                              i18n ITS WG

31 Jan 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0062.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Christian, Felix, Jirka, Sebastian, Yves

   Regrets
          Andrzej

   Chair
          Yves

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]action items
         2. [6]test suite results
         3. [7]NVDL appendix
         4. [8]version attribute on its:version
         5. [9]f2f planning
         6. [10]BP document section on docbook
         7. [11]mails about ITS
         8. [12]AOB
     * [13]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

action items

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their
   implementation (PENDING) [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization
   for the XML i18n BP document (PENDING) [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   <scribe> ACTION: Jirka to look at the test suite and see if the
   tests make sense (DONE) [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

   messages from Jirka at
   [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   052.html

     [17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html

   and
   [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   043.html

     [18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0043.html

   Yves: we went through the errors and have fixed the files used
   within the spec
   ... I will fix the others

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to fix all errors in test files reported by
   Jirka [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   <Jirka>
   [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   052.html

     [20]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html

   Yves: various typos etc. until the comment on "appendix D (Schemas
   for ITS)"

   Jirka explains his comment on appendix D

   Felix: worried about not mentioning that NVDL is used only for RELAX
   NG

   Jirka: it would not be possible using XML Schema

   Yves: should we remove the last sentence?

   all: fine with that

   <scribe> ACTION: editors to add the paragraph on "appendix D
   (Schemas for ITS)" to appendix D excluding the last sentence
   [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

   yves: appendix E (Schematron schema for ITS) mentioned by Jirka

   all: fine with the change

   <scribe> ACTION: editors to make the change on appendix E mentioned
   at
   [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   052.html [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]

     [22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html

   <scribe> ACTION: editors to make all editorial changes of proposal
   in
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.
   html [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action06b]

   bug related to all changes related to
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.
   html is [25]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4289

     [25] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4289

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make sure we have a section in the BP
   document for precedence of tool specific linking (DONE) [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are
   no "CSS style elements" or the like. (PENDING) [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the
   specification regarding precedence order wording. (PENDING)
   [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS
   draft (DONE) [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]

   Yves: you put XMLNS in uppercase?

   Felix: was a mistake in the mail

   Yves: we need to close the bug related to that

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute
   notations on the span element. (DONE) [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]

   Yves: new text proposal is at
   [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   058.html

     [31]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html

   <scribe> ACTION: editors to make text change described in thread
   ending at
   [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   058.html [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]

     [32]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html

   Sebastian: problem is described at
   [34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   046.html
   ... only for its:span the atttributes are not in the ITS namespace
   ... it would be easy to declare all attributes again belonging to
   its:span
   ... but it is an overhead

     [34]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0046.html

   Yves: what should we do? Leave it as it is?

   Sebastian: the crude way is copying of the attribute

   [35]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/Translate3.x
   ml

     [35] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/Translate3.xml

   Felix: that test would not validate against the current schema since
   the ITS attributes at its:span are in the ITS namespace in the
   schema, but not in the test file

   Sebastian: I could invent a notation for re-using attribute
   notations with and without namespace

   Felix: might take a lot of time, maybe better just copy the
   attributes?

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to change the ODD definitions by copying the
   attributes in ITS span without a namespace [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]

test suite results

   Yves: almost everything works now
   ... we have only one difference now

   <YvesS> [37]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

     [37] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

   Yves: there is only one error now. There is two, the second one has
   to do with a typo change
   ... the only difference is the generation of locInfoRefPointer
   ... locType is a default behaviour, it seems

   Sebastian: the selector says "//data"

   Yves: fixing the file itself seems better than changing the language

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to make the generation of the test report
   automatically [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make example
   [39]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRe
   fPointer-attribute-1.xml fixed [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]

     [39]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRefPointer-attribute-1.xml

   Felix:
   [41]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-terms-sel
   ector-3.xml has also a different result

     [41]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-terms-selector-3.xml

   Sebastian: I'll look at that

   Yves:
   [42]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-terms-sel
   ector-3.xml is just not updated on the test overview page
   ... Felix needs to generate the one for language
   ... Language1.xml

     [42]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-terms-selector-3.xml

NVDL appendix

   <YvesS>
   [43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   061.html

     [43]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html

   Yves: I'm fine with the proposals from Jirka

   <scribe> ACTION: editors to integrate
   [44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   061.html into the draft [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]

     [44]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html

   <Jirka> Great, I'm glad you like my proposal

   <YvesS>
   [46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   044.html

     [46]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.html

   bug related to NVDL is
   [47]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4290

     [47] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4290

version attribute on its:version

   all: fine with the proposal

   <scribe> ACTION: modify one paragraph saying that version should be
   prefixed at version. Modify the schema to reflect this. [recorded in
   [48]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]

   <scribe> ACTION: Modify the samples and the test data to reflect the
   version attribute change [recorded in
   [49]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action18]

   first AI is for Felix, second for Yves

   bug related to version change is at
   [50]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4291

     [50] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4291

f2f planning

   Felix: I would be in Germany during the week of 9 April

   Yves: let's look at possibilities around this

BP document section on docbook

   Jirka: what is the schedule for this?

   Yves: many AIs are on this document, it is still under work

mails about ITS

   see
   [51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   060.html

     [51]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0060.html

   Christian: introduces the mail

AOB

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: editors to add the paragraph on "appendix D (Schemas
   for ITS)" to appendix D excluding the last sentence [recorded in
   [52]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: editors to make alll editorial changes of proposal in
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.
   html [recorded in
   [53]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action06b]
   [NEW] ACTION: editors to integrate
   [54]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   061.html into the draft [recorded in
   [55]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]
   [NEW] ACTION: editors to make text change described in thread ending
   at
   [56]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   058.html [recorded in
   [57]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
   [NEW] ACTION: editors to make the change on appendix E mentioned at
   [58]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   052.html [recorded in
   [59]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to change the ODD definitions by copying the
   attributes in ITS span without a namespace [recorded in
   [60]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to make the generation of the test report
   automatically [recorded in
   [61]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]
   [NEW] ACTION: modify one paragraph saying that version should be
   prefixed at version. Modify the schema to reflect this. [recorded in
   [62]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]
   [NEW] ACTION: Modify the samples and the test data to reflect the
   version attribute change [recorded in
   [63]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action18]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to fix all errors in test files reported by Jirka
   [recorded in
   [64]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to make example
   [65]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRe
   fPointer-attribute-1.xml fixed [recorded in
   [66]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]

     [54]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html
     [56]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html
     [58]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html
     [65]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRefPointer-attribute-1.xml

   [PENDING] ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there
   are no "CSS style elements" or the like. [recorded in
   [67]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the
   specification regarding precedence order wording. [recorded in
   [68]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their
   implementation [recorded in
   [69]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization
   for the XML i18n BP document [recorded in
   [70]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   [DONE] ACTION: Editors to remove the feature from the ITS draft
   [recorded in
   [71]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute notations
   on the span element. [recorded in
   [72]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
   [DONE] ACTION: Jirka to look at the test suite and see if the tests
   make sense [recorded in
   [73]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
   [DONE] ACTION: Yves to make sure we have a section in the BP
   document for precedence of tool specific linking [recorded in
   [74]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]

   [End of minutes]
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