- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:20:44 +0900
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
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... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html
and below as text.
Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS working group
26 Jul 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0097.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Andrzej, Christian, Felix, Richard, Yves
Regrets
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3499
2. [6]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500
3. [7]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3501
4. [8]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3503
5. [9]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3504
6. [10]topic:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3505
7. [11]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3506
8. [12]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3507
9. [13]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3508
10. [14]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509
11. [15]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3510
12. [16]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511
13. [17]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3512
14. [18]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513
15. [19]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3514
16. [20]xml lang case
* [21]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<scribe> agenda:
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
097.html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0097.html
[23]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3499
[23] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3499
Yves: editorial issue, see no problem
Richard: "as for" means "in contrast to"
... it should be "for global rules" or just "global rules"
Andrzej: "as for" is completely redundant and confusing
[24]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500
[24] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500
Yves: you don't want to have mixed directionality with language
<YvesS> quote[@direction='rtlText']
Richard: the example should be changed
... the xpath expression could be different
Yves: we need to redo the example
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to redo example for
[25]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500 recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[25] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500
[27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3501
[27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3501
Yves: you were asking for some hebrew text
... should we have a Hebrew quotation?
Richard: yes
... we say that we apply an dir attribute to a specific piece of
text
... I use examples like "the title is 'W3C'"
... that is more complicated than that you have here
... but it is the what we need
Yves: also related to
[28]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502
... we should redo the example
[28] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502
Felix: fine by me
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to redo the example for
[29]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3501 and
[30]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502 recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[29] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3501
[30] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502
[32]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3503
[32] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3503
Richard: it suggests that you refer to the articles
Yves: the editors to look how to fit that in
<scribe> ACTION: editors to add a reference as proposed by
[33]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3503 recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[33] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3503
[35]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3504
[35] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3504
Richard: you would always want to use the rp element
Felix: fine with me
<scribe> ACTION: editors to implement
[36]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3504 recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[36] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3504
topic: [38]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3505
[38] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3505
Yves: fine by me
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to create a Japanese example for
[39]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3505 recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[39] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3505
[41]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3506
[41] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3506
Yves: fine by me
[42]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3507
[42] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3507
<AZ> My connection dropped
Yves: everbody o.k. with that
[43]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3508
[43] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3508
Yves: example 32
Richard: should its:rules be in the head?
Yves: not necessarily, but it might be
... but that proposal is fine
[44]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509
[44] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509
Richard describes the issues, Andrzej agrees
Felix: agree with having 6.1 in the sub sections of 6
... but 5.1 is generated automatically from the subsection in 6
... we could have the appropriate descriptions after the productions
in the subsections
... and get rid of sec. 5.1?
Richard: you could have 5.1 as an appendix
Felix: with links from the appendix to the data category sub section
... for the reading purpose which Richard described
Richard: If you do one small section and show me how that would be
Felix: o.k.
<scribe> ACTION: felix to implement
[45]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509 as an example
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[45] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509
Richard: should we have the table in 6.1 in the appendix?
... just a question
Felix: it's fine to have both, in the appendix and in the text
Richard: we don't need an appendix if we have 6.1 also
Yves: an appendix would be redundant
[47]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3510
[47] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3510
Richard describes the issue
Richard: it's about 5.3.1
Felix: would having the list of pointer attributes be o.k.?
Richard: that was my initial thought
Christian: we could say in the basic concepts section s.t. about our
naming convention
... in addition to 5.3.1
Yves: we need to enumerate things in 5.3.1
... Christian proposes s.t. for the basic concepts section about
"pointer" attributes and also "ref" attributes
[48]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511
[48] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to implement
[49]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511 recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[49] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511
[51]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3512
[51] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3512
Yves: I'll take that into account then I redo the example
[52]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513
[52] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513
Felix: this needs just a clarification, right?
Richard: yes
... drop the description or add more clarification
Felix: we need to clarify that you can have external rules without
an its:rules element in the target document
Yves: so replace the current text with a paragraph about that?
Felix: fine by me
<scribe> ACTION: yves to write a paragraph about associating
external rules with files for bug
[53]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513 recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[53] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513
[55]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3514
[55] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3514
Yves and Richard go through the bug
Richard: the local attributes are not in the list
Felix: maybe this: "Attributes inherited from [att.translate
att.locInfo att.term att.dir]"
Richard: no, you can also use the attributes with other elements
... so we need to have another list for local attributes
<AZ> I had to go
yves: will we have the local attributes in the appendix
Richard: would be good
felix: agree
xml lang case
<YvesS>
[56]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&
order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS
[56]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS
<YvesS>
[57]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/21-i18nits-minutes.html#action03
[57] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/21-i18nits-minutes.html#action03
<YvesS>
[58]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
121.html
[58]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0121.html
<YvesS>
[59]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
162.html
[59]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0162.html
Yves: we don't mention xml:lang anywhere , and we wanted to fix that
Richard: where should it be?
Felix: I have no preference
Yves: I am fine with Felix proposal
... and would make the changes I proposed at
[60]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
162.html
... should some information from Felix mail in the language
information section?
[60]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0162.html
Richard: could be
discussion whether langRule MUST NOT be used for pointing to
xml:lang
Yves: it does not hurt if you point to xml:lang with a langRule
element
... should we have to test s.t. for xml:lang?
discussion on whether xml:lang has to be recognized by ITS
processing or not
Yves: all agree that the paragraph that felix wrote should be in the
draft
... we have to see whether there are any normative, testable parts
of that
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: editors to add a reference as proposed by
[61]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3503 recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: editors to implement
[63]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3504 recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to create a Japanese example for
[65]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3505 recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to implement
[67]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509 as an example
[recorded in
[68]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to implement
[69]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511 recorded in
[70]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to redo example for
[71]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500 recorded in
[72]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to redo the example for
[73]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3501 and
[74]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502 recorded in
[75]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: yves to write a paragraph about associating external
rules with files for bug
[76]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513 recorded in
[77]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[61] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3503
[63] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3504
[65] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3505
[67] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509
[69] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511
[71] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500
[73] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3501
[74] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502
[76] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513
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