- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 00:24:25 +0900
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
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... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html
and below as text.
Regards, Felix.
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS working group
3 May 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0056.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Christian, Felix, Richard, Yves
Regrets
Diane, Goutam, Sebastian
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]title of techniques document
3. [7]further action items
4. [8]other business
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
action items
<scribe> ACTION: Christian and felix to finish the text for the
inclusion issue (Felix creates normative part, christian the
non-normative part) (ONGOING) [recorded in
[10]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
statement in normative part:
"Selection relies on the information which is given in the XML
Information Set [XML Infoset]. ITS applications MAY implement
inclusion mechanisms such as XInclude or DITA's [Dita 1.0] conref."
christian: I would use it for the informative part
Yves: the way it is worded is fine.
... as for the reference to DITA 1.0, make the key upper case
felix: will do
title of techniques document
richard: I propose best practices
... I discussed with the architecture domain lead, he said it's fine
... another guy said he does not like the term "best practices", but
would not stand against it
... the document is best practices for schema developers?
yves: also for content developers
... current title is "XML Internationalization Techniques"
richard: How about "Best practices for XML Internationalization"?
felix: would topics like "integrating i18n related markup in a
schema" or "using ITS rules" be covered by the "best practices"
title?
richard: all titles are not perfect
... MW people have used BP as well
... the document will not be only a techniques document
... we might also have separate documents for techniques, as we
discussed at the Oxford f2f briefly
felix: I'm just wondering if our WG members who developed ITS are
fine with the "not on techniques" focused title. If that's o.k.?
christian: It must be sure that ITS (tagset) is in the references
yves: that's for sure, I'm fine with the title
richard: "best practices": it's easier to subsume "techniques" under
it
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to post a mail on the new name proposal for
the "techniques document" [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
further action items
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to write a paragraph describing the
requirement for ITS information about non-textual objects (DONE)
[recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
yves: result is in the tagset draft and in the requirements document
... christian said: have the paragraph in a subsection on
translatability
... I proposed to have it as a separate requirement
felix: in the tagset draft:
[13]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#not
e-object-selection
[13]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#note-object-selection
christian: so in the requirements doc, there is a new requirement
for this? Which must be listed in the introduction of the tagset
doc?
yves: yes
christian: I'll work on that
<scribe> ACTION: Sebastian and Yves to work on integration of
modularization section into Techniques document (ONGOING) [recorded
in [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to write text about within text. (DONE)
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
yves: I was concerned about non-listed elements: how to deal with
them?
... if an element is bracketed by text, mostly it is inline
... you could propose mostly all documents, without defining
anything
... I was not sure how to define a default for non-listed elements
... Felix proposed using <its:withinTextRule withinText="xxx"
selector="//*" /> as the first rule, which might solve the problem
... but there are other problems
... esp. how to actually implement the data category
... Christian had concerns on the wording "subflow", I proposed
"nested" instead
<YvesS>
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0
151.html
[16]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0151.html
Felix: I'm fine with Yves wording and examples on the issue
<scribe> ACTION: All make sure "rules" is using non-prefix
attributes in all samples and test (DONE) [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve
compatibility of output (PENDING) [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
yves: not important right now, only after last call
<scribe> ACTION: All to work on examples: Christian takes 1-9, Felix
10-18, Sebastian 19-28, Yves 29-37 (DONE) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
christian: I looked at the examples, I did not find anything
felix: I did that as well
yves: me as well
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to integrate changes in section 1.1 and
1.2 within 2 weeks. (DROPPED) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
christian: I had editing environment issues
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to propose a wording for the inclusion
issue (DROPPED) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
<scribe> ACTION: Everybody to think about which W3C working groups
shoud comment on the tagset last call draft. (DONE) [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to add a rbspanPointer attribute to rubyRule
(DONE) [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to check how license should be handled in the
schema. (ONGOING) [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]
christian: sebastian pointed out that a document is different from
an application
... I would wonder if the examples in the spec should also have a
time stamp
... e.g. via XML comments
... it might give us a way to check that an example is still up to
date or outdated
felix: that's fine with me
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to add time stamps to the examples in the
spec [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to produce descriptions for each entry in the
schema. (DONE) [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]
felix: please look at
[27]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its.xsd
... all xs:annotation elements
[27] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its.xsd
<scribe> ACTION: all to review the xs:annotation elements in
[28]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its.xsd (to see if
the explanations of ITS markup are o.k.) [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]
[28] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its.xsd
christian: should we check the ITS schemas with various editors?
felix: I'm always checking with Oxygen, XML SPY and emacs
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to specify the "required-ness" of attributes
when needed in the schemas (DONE) [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]
<scribe> ACTION: Richard to discuss with people whether we should
change the title of the "techniques doc" (DONE) [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action18]
<scribe> ACTION: Sebastian and Felix to add comment in ODD to have
it inside the generated schema to explain how it was created (DONE)
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action19]
<scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to get rid of "empties" from generated
schema (PENDING) [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action20]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to explore the reference attributes (termRef,
locRef) with regard to spliting URI "base versus fragment" (DONE)
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action21]
<YvesS>
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0
156.html
[35]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html
Yves explains the mail
christian: I agree with Yves proposal
felix: me too, but I'm not sure if we have time to make the change
richard: we should be careful not to make a change "ourself" after
last call
felix: I would have time to make the change, if we agree on it until
Monday
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to post a mail with the proposal at
[36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0
156.html , saying that we decide it until monday [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action22]
[36]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html
yves: as for terminology markup in various vocabularies: there are a
lot of differences
... it is an example of how to relate different data types
<r12a> FYI, NMTOKEN = "Name Token"
yves: at some point, we might have to drop the referencing issue
<r12a> nope
yves: because it is hard to come up with a general solution
felix: at least people are not hindered to use ITS natively
yves: another problem: currently we have "anyURI"
... which could also be "#something"
<scribe> ACTION: felix (possibly others) to look on the issue of
xml:base, see
[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0
156.html [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action23]
[38]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html
christian: I'm looking for vocabularies that have these problems
yves: maybe XHTML?
other business
christian: what should we do about the feedback on ITS tagset we got
today from Jerry?
yves: I can go through his comments and come up with an answer, and
post it to the member list
christian: that would be great
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to post his thoughts on Jerry's comments on
the member list [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action24]
christian gives thougths on Jerrys mail
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: all to review the xs:annotation elements in
[41]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its.xsd (to see if
the explanations of ITS markup are o.k.) [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: felix (possibly others) to look on the issue of
xml:base, see
[43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0
156.html [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action23]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to add time stamps to the examples in the spec
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to post a mail on the new name proposal for the
"techniques document" [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to post a mail with the proposal at
[47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0
156.html , saying that we decide it until monday [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action22]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to post his thoughts on Jerry's comments on the
member list [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action24]
[41] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its.xsd
[43]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html
[47]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html
[PENDING] ACTION: All to try out the "translate" test case to
achieve compatibility of output [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Christian and felix to finish the text for the
inclusion issue (Felix creates normative part, christian the
non-normative part) [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to check how license should be handled in
the schema. [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sebastian and Yves to work on integration of
modularization section into Techniques document [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sebastian to get rid of "empties" from generated
schema [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action20]
[DONE] ACTION: All make sure "rules" is using non-prefix attributes
in all samples and test [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: All to work on examples: Christian takes 1-9, Felix
10-18, Sebastian 19-28, Yves 29-37 [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Christian to write a paragraph describing the
requirement for ITS information about non-textual objects [recorded
in [57]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Everybody to think about which W3C working groups
shoud comment on the tagset last call draft. [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to add a rbspanPointer attribute to rubyRule
[recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to produce descriptions for each entry in the
schema. [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to specify the "required-ness" of attributes
when needed in the schemas [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]
[DONE] ACTION: Richard to discuss with people whether we should
change the title of the "techniques doc" [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action18]
[DONE] ACTION: Sebastian and Felix to add comment in ODD to have it
inside the generated schema to explain how it was created [recorded
in [63]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action19]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to explore the reference attributes (termRef,
locRef) with regard to spliting URI "base versus fragment" [recorded
in [64]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action21]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to write text about within text. [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Christian to integrate changes in section 1.1 and
1.2 within 2 weeks. [recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Christian to propose a wording for the inclusion
issue [recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/03-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
[End of minutes]
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