Re: withinText

Hi Yves, Andrzej, all,

sorry, I am complete "not up to date" with your discussion. But if you
both agree on a solution, that's fine with me. What do the others think?
As for the working draft: I'm not sure if what we currently have at
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#datacat-within-text
explains all use cases you are mentioning below. Do you think you could
rewrite / extend the text at
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#datacat-within-text
, so that everything is covered?

cheers,

Felix

Yves Savourel wrote:
> Hi Andrzej,
> 
> I'm CCing the list so all can follow the discussion. Sorry I forgot to do that in the first place.
> 
>>> <p><subflow>Some text</subflow>Text of the paragraph</p>
>>> <p>Text of the paragraph <subflow>Some text</subflow></p>
> 
> OK, so if we need to treat these two cases the same way, then yes, a subflow attribute is probably needed to reduce the computing to
> resolve the first case.
> 
> Now, the last question: What do we do when we get elements not declare as withinText inside a text run? (because no matter what any
> guideline says we just know it will happen, so we might as well make sure we have planned for it): I see three possibilities:
> A) we treat it as a break (spliting the parent content into 2 text unit), plus it own content in-between.
> B) we treat it as a withinText,
> C) we treat it as a sub-flow (current behavior from the spec).
> 
> The most likely cases of such un-declared elements would be the things like <p> inside a <li> (like in XHTML).
> 
> I'm almost tempted to say A) since it would allow people to choose how to deal with elements like <br/> (either as withinText or as
> a break).
> 
> Cheers,
> -yves
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrzej Zydron
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:13 PM
> To: Yves Savourel
> Subject: Re: withinText
> 
> Hi Yves,
> 
> Thank you very much for your reply. I think that we are getting 
> somewhere. My replies below:
> 
> Yves Savourel wrote:
>> Hi Andrzej,
>>
>> With regard to withinText:
>>
>> I've started the implementation as well and I'm running into different types of issues in cases where one would forget to declare
> an
>> element like <b> should be specify as withinText.
>>
>> For the sub-flow elements: let's say if we have a sub-flow attribute: will you have a different behavior if the preceeding sibling
>> has a text node? For example, will we get two different representations for these two different entries?
>>
>> <p><subflow>Some text</subflow>Text of the paragraph</p>
>>
>> <p>Text of the paragraph <subflow>Some text</subflow></p>
>>
> 
> No - I would always treat these in a uniform fashion by always 
> extracting the subflow to a new trans-unit:
> 
> <trans-unit id="t1">
>    <source><ph id="s1" xid="t2"/>Text of the paragraph</source>
>    <target><ph id="t1" xid="t2"/>Text of the paragraph</target>
> </trans-unit>
> <trans-unit id="t2">
>    <source><g id="sg1" xid="s1">Some text</g></source>
>    <target><g id="tg1" xid="t1">Some text</g></target>
> </trans-unit>
> <trans-unit id="t3">
>    <source>Text of the paragraph <ph id="s2" xid="t4"/></source>
>    <target>Text of the paragraph <ph id="t2" xid="t4"/></target>
> </trans-unit>
> <trans-unit id="t4">
>    <source><g id="sg2" xid="s2">Some text</g></source>
>    <target><g id="tg2" xid="t2">Some text</g></target>
> </trans-unit>
> 
> I hope the choice of XLIFF inline elements is OK.
> 
>> One reason I would see the use for the subflow attribute is that I'm not sure anymore that no-inline elements that are within a
> text
>> run should always be treated as subflow. Maybe there are cases where they should yield segmentation. For example, a <br/> element:
>> currently it would be either a withinText or an empty subflow (so treated like an inline I suppose), but we would have no way to
>> make it a segment breaker if we want to.
>>
>> In the other hand, there is still that <p> element in <li> that bother me, especially in cases like the OpenDocument footnote:
>>
>> <text:p text:style-name="Standard">
>> The Palouse horses 
>> <text:note text:id="ftn1" text:note-class="footnote">
>> <text:note-citation>1</text:note-citation> 
>> <text:note-body>
>> <text:p text:style-name="Footnote">A Palouse hors is the same thing as an Applalosa.</text:p> 
>> </text:note-body>
>> </text:note>
>> have spotted coats. 
>> </text:p>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
> <trans-unit id="t1">
>    <source>The Palouse horses <ph id="s1" xid="t2"/>have spotted 
> coats.</source>
>    <target>The Palouse horses <ph id="t1" xid="t2"/>have spotted 
> coats.</target>
> </trans-unit>
> <trans-unit id="t2">
>    <source><g id="sg1" xid="s1">A Palouse hors is the same thing as an 
> Applalosa.</g></source>
>    <target><g id="tg1" xid="s1">A Palouse hors is the same thing as an 
> Applalosa.</g></target>
> </trans-unit>
> 
> <snip>
> 
> 
>