- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:01:24 +0200
- To: public-i18n-its-ig <public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org>
See
http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-i18nits-minutes.html
and below as text. Next call will be in three weeks, same day (Monday) + time.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20141020T15
Main items to discuss:
1) David will move the XLIFF / ITS mapping in the OASIS XLIFF 2.1 draft forward, and in there weeks from now we will have something to look at. People who have feedback on the XLIFF mapping
https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
(e.g. Serge / Renat) will give feedback ideally before.
2) open data management for MT, see
https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Management_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
Serge confirmed that the doc is of relevance and in three weeks from now he will make a push to get more interest. Again, people in this group who want to provide feedback should do so now.
- Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
ITS IG
29 Sep 2014
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Sep/0007.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
felix, Yves, dF, joerg, serge
Regrets
Chair
felix
Scribe
fsasaki
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]roll call
2. [6]action items
3. [7]XLIFF 2.0 mapping
4. [8]decide about XLIFF testing design
5. [9]other agenda items
6. [10]other open items
7. [11]aob
* [12]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<scribe> scribe: fsasaki
roll call
checking attendees ...
<dF> joining audio in a minute..
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014
Sep/0007.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Sep/0007.html
action items
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/actions/open
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/actions/open
action-40?
<trackbot> action-40 -- Felix Sasaki to Assure that xliff2
mapping is finished by end of june -- due 2014-05-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/actions/40
[15] http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/actions/40
close action-40
<trackbot> Closed action-40.
XLIFF 2.0 mapping
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014
Aug/0007.html
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Aug/0007.html
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping#
Data_Categories_Not_Mapped_Yet
[18] http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping#Data_Categories_Not_Mapped_Yet
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014
Aug/0000.html
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Aug/0000.html
<dF> action 37 is done
<trackbot> Error finding '37'. You can review and register
nicknames at
<[20]http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/users>.
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close action-37
<trackbot> Closed action-37.
david: renat said he will check with serge, did not come back
to us yet
... let's see what comes back from renat / serge
yves: nothing to add on the mapping at the moment
... did not have time to follow up, will try to work on that in
the coming months
... not sure if we will have time to implement everything
before the end of the year
... phil and others are working on using it and implementing
that in ocelot
... using e.g. lqi and provenance
... they will be working on it also on the end of the year
rather than now
felix: is that an issue process wise in OASIS? the OASIS xliff
2.1 timing and the mapping progress?
david: xliff tc decided that we want to have yearly releases
... two related things: 1) transfering the mapping into the
OASIS specification format
... I am starting that work this week
... I am a bit worried
... if work continues in the wiki we may end up with scattered
information
... like to have a simple rule: don't touch ... in the wiki so
that I can transfer that to the OASIS template
... the OASIS draft will be public, only OASIS TC members will
be able to edit
... must happen sooner or later
... we are kind of late
... implementations by the end of the year is fine
... question is: will we have approved spec in the committee
specification phase
... I would take all categogries marked for review and leave
others for now until next call
felix: next call timing?
david: before loc world
<yves_> Oct-20 would work for me.
<scribe> ACTION: felix to announce next call 20 october, to
prepare for loc world [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Announce next call 20 october,
to prepare for loc world [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-10-06].
david: felix had good input, also summarizing issues - some are
not even issues, some categories are not metadata, this is not
really relevant
... we should have a feeling how it goes in three weeks
jörg: maybe inbetween david can give feedback on the work in
progress
david: sure, I will send a link to the xliff 2.1 draft
serge: we (logrus) want to come back on XLIFF 2.0 mapping
issue, for sure
... I understand that xliff 2.1 is going to incooperate ITS 2.0
... so we would like to get back to everything we discovered
felix: would be great to get some feedback in the next three
weeks
serge: ok, I'll look into that
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decide about XLIFF testing design
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014
Sep/0008.html
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Sep/0008.html
david: not sure how the ITS2 test site worked - in OASIS we
don't have application hosting, just simple SVN
... we have wiki and SVN
... that's it
... does not seem to me that we would be able to replicate W3C
testing structure
... we will have reference files that we had for XLIFF 2.0
... XLIFF files with ITS extensions or mappings
... how they are supposed to look before and after
... test automation is not a requirement for OASIS
... in W3C you need to present test suite results to progress
... in OASIS you need to present statement of use
... advanced validation was also approved for XLIFF 2.1
... we will be able to test a lot using schematron rules,
without having a specific test suite
serge:
<dF>
[24]https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/54178/ba
llot_2674.html
[24] https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/54178/ballot_2674.html
<dF> XLIFF TC approval of the ITS feature for 2.1
df: )
[discussion on ITS2 / XLIFF 2.1 outreach]
felix: testing the mapping - would we need input files in a
given format, e.g. HTML5?
david: how the extraction is performed is normally out of scope
of xliff - this may be an issue with ITS now
... for ITS we may have more stages even than input - output
... not sure about step between original format and XLIFF - it
is probably not going to be normative
... we can have best practices - the xliff tc had reference
guides but never talked about how the extraction is done
other agenda items
rdf-its ontology - postponed
"open data management for public automated translation
services"
[25]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Managem
ent_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
[25] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Management_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
serge: please keep this on the agenda
... this topic will develop further
... if we don't have substantial revision of the document, it
is time to get through the channels we have and try to push
this throuhg
... I will try to propose this as a presentation topic at the
lt-innovate summit
... we can try to email this to various people in this theme
<scribe> ACTION: felix to announce work for data managemnt
document [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Announce work for data managemnt
document [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-10-06].
other open items
[27]http://www.dercom.de/en/projects
[27] http://www.dercom.de/en/projects
"An interface COTI between authoring and translation memory
systems is planned. The specification may be downloaded from
this page and commented."
felix: any comments on this? should we contact the people?
david: the people do what they think they have to do
... I went through the doc today
... this has an overlap with linport
... approach of spec is similar to linport and tip approach -
sending a zip package that can contain project files
... not sure how the project files are supposed to be
structured - the doc seems to define a soap envelope
... which is not in conflict with what we are doing
... this is a kind of web services interface
... they define an XML wrapper based on SOAP
... there is not necessarily a conflict
... but I'm a bit worried that there was no interest in contact
- there is a potential for mismatch
... but at the same time I think there is not a clash - one
could propose xliff 2.0 as a payload for their soap envelope
... xliff does not say anything about the web service should
work
... there may be a conflict with the object model and API that
people now want to see for XLIFF 2.0
... above feedback is based on me looking into this before
today's call
... behind this there is a trade org of german content
producers
... the spec does not seem to follow some current practices,
e.g. it has its own definitions of keywords "must, can, ..."
... they are referencing xml and soap, and they are referencing
some standards
jörg: there is a huge gap in communication between different
communities - it seems they don't know about xliff and so on
david: hard to achieve things via mail
felix: will be at tekom again, will try again to contact them
and see what happens
david: maybe alan melby could be helpful - linport is in clahs
with this
jörg: not really
scribe: it is a little bit from linport and tipp, and then
their own way
david: xliff can be payload of anything
jörg: I can check with Alan to see if he has talked to these
guys
felix: thanks
aob
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adjourned, by to all! next call in three weeks
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: felix to announce next call 20 october, to
prepare for loc world [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to announce work for data managemnt
document [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
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