- From: Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
- Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:19:55 +0900
- To: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>
- CC: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, public-xg-lld@w3.org, public-i18n-core@w3.org
Hello Felix, On 2011/09/08 17:49, Felix Sasaki wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > I am putting the i18n core group into the loop. This group has a lot of > discussions like these, with arguments like you are bringing about IRIs: > "Many of our readers won't need to know about it, if just because they do > not really need it". In many cases, there is indeed no need. But that applies to the individual identifier, not the overall infrastructure. > I assume that even if the library identifiers may work > with ASCII only, I'm not familiar with library identifiers in a more narrow sense, but I can easily imagine e.g. that in a library in an Arabic-speaking country they'll use Arabic characters rather than Latin ones. I'd guess the situation would be about the same as with number plates for cars and such. > there will be in the future more and more a push towards > domain names that are internationlized, The National Diet Library in Japan > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Diet_Library > Already has an entry in the Japanese wikipedia that is an IRI > http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD%E7%AB%8B%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%9A%E5%9B%B3%E6%9B%B8%E9%A4%A8 That's trivially an IRI like any other URI because all URIs are IRIs. The 'real' IRI is http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/国立国会図書館. This makes tons of sense, because that's how a wiki works: The terms and topics get directly reflected in the Web address. > I think librarians also outside of Japan should how to handle these kind of > identifiers. Definitely. > Background for the i18n core folks: this is about adding a paragraph related > to IRIs in the "library linked data incubator group" report. Paragraph or sentence may be up for discussion, but not mentioning it would be a very sad omission. Regards, Martin. > Felix > > 2011/9/8 Antoine Isaac<aisaac@few.vu.nl> > >> Hi, >> >> I'd object against adding this as a self-standing recommendation. Indeed, >> it seems more like a general linked data or even web problem, something that >> goes beyond our library-focused scope. And it would make an extra layer of >> complexity too visible: the huge majority of material on LD (including >> TimBL's principle page keep to URIs, and even if it's a quite bad practice, >> that's for a reason (I expect, mostly because the "difference" between URLs >> and URIs is hard to get, next to all the other technical LD stuff). >> Many of our readers won't need to know about it, if just because they do >> not really need it -- even the more technically savvy ones. >> That being said, it would be really fair to slip in somewhere one sentence >> refering to IRIs and their advantages, e.g., when we mention best practices >> to create identifiers, or in the technology section. >> >> Antoine >> >> >> Here I would disagree. The use of IRIs is pushed forward in many specific >>> Web standards - just search for "IRI" under www.w3.org/TR/< >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/> , or for internationalization in many W3C >>> charters. So the "general web practice" is to mention IRI as much as >>> possible. I would propose to do the same here. >>> >>> >>> Felix (being active in the w3c i18n activity for some time). >>> >>> >>> 2011/9/8 Karen Coyle<kcoyle@kcoyle.net<mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> >>> >>> >>> I see this as a general Web issue, not a Linked Data issue. Presumably >>> Linked Data will follow Web practice. >>> >>> kc >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting Tom Baker<tbaker@tbaker.de<mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de>>: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> It has been brought to my attention that our report neglects to >>> acknowledge a >>> need for library linked data to consider a growing requirement for >>> non-Latin-based URIs -- i.e., Internationalized Resource >>> Identifiers, or IRIs >>> [1]: >>> >>> "Since resource identifiers play a crucial role for the Semantic >>> Web, the >>> internatinalization of resource identifiers is of high importance. >>> It turns >>> out that the prevalent resource identification mechanism on the >>> Semantic >>> Web, i.e. URIs, are not sufficient for an efficient >>> internationalization of >>> knowledge bases. Fortunately, with IRIs a standard for >>> international >>> resource identifiers is available, but its support needs much more >>> penetration and homogenization in various semantic web technology >>> stacks. >>> In addition, we review various RDF serializations with regard to >>> their >>> support for internationalized knowledge bases. The paper also >>> contains an >>> in-depth review of popular semantic web tools and APIs with regard >>> to their >>> support for internationalization. " >>> >>> I'm not aware that anyone raised this during the comment period, >>> but now that >>> it has been raised at the eleventh hour, I think we need to find a >>> way to >>> acknowledge this -- perhaps in an additional sentence or half >>> sentence in the >>> Recommendations section [2]. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> [1] http://iswc2010.semanticweb.__**org/pdf/385.pdf< >>> http://iswc2010.semanticweb.**org/pdf/385.pdf<http://iswc2010.semanticweb.org/pdf/385.pdf> >>>> >>> [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/__**Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft___** >>> recommendations_page_take2#__**Create_URIs_for_the_items_in__** >>> _library_datasets<http://www.w3.org/2005/__Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft___recommendations_page_take2#__Create_URIs_for_the_items_in___library_datasets>< >>> http://www.w3.org/2005/**Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_** >>> recommendations_page_take2#**Create_URIs_for_the_items_in_** >>> library_datasets<http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2#Create_URIs_for_the_items_in_library_datasets> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Baker<tom@tombaker.org<mailto:tom@tombaker.org>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Karen Coyle >>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net<mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net >>> ph: 1-510-540-7596<tel:1-510-540-7596> >>> m: 1-510-435-8234<tel:1-510-435-8234> >>> >>> skype: kcoylenet >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Prof. Dr. Felix Sasaki >>> Senior Researcher, Language Technology Lab >>> DFKI GmbH, Alt-Moabit 91c, 10559 Berlin, Germany http://www.dfki.de< >>> http://www.dfki.de/> >>> >>> phone: +49-30-23895-1807 (fax: -1810) >>> ------------------------------**------------------ >>> Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer Kuenstliche Intelligenz GmbH >>> Firmensitz: Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern >>> Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. 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