- From: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>
- Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:49:23 +0200
- To: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
- Cc: public-xg-lld@w3.org, public-i18n-core@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CAL58czrgCoa9z=CzqmtL5N+0G8CMTLFfzHxs082MpDNOLU9h-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Antoine, I am putting the i18n core group into the loop. This group has a lot of discussions like these, with arguments like you are bringing about IRIs: "Many of our readers won't need to know about it, if just because they do not really need it". I assume that even if the library identifiers may work with ASCII only, there will be in the future more and more a push towards domain names that are internationlized, The National Diet Library in Japan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Diet_Library Already has an entry in the Japanese wikipedia that is an IRI http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD%E7%AB%8B%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%9A%E5%9B%B3%E6%9B%B8%E9%A4%A8 I think librarians also outside of Japan should how to handle these kind of identifiers. Background for the i18n core folks: this is about adding a paragraph related to IRIs in the "library linked data incubator group" report. Felix 2011/9/8 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl> > Hi, > > I'd object against adding this as a self-standing recommendation. Indeed, > it seems more like a general linked data or even web problem, something that > goes beyond our library-focused scope. And it would make an extra layer of > complexity too visible: the huge majority of material on LD (including > TimBL's principle page keep to URIs, and even if it's a quite bad practice, > that's for a reason (I expect, mostly because the "difference" between URLs > and URIs is hard to get, next to all the other technical LD stuff). > Many of our readers won't need to know about it, if just because they do > not really need it -- even the more technically savvy ones. > That being said, it would be really fair to slip in somewhere one sentence > refering to IRIs and their advantages, e.g., when we mention best practices > to create identifiers, or in the technology section. > > Antoine > > > Here I would disagree. The use of IRIs is pushed forward in many specific >> Web standards - just search for "IRI" under www.w3.org/TR/ < >> http://www.w3.org/TR/> , or for internationalization in many W3C >> charters. So the "general web practice" is to mention IRI as much as >> possible. I would propose to do the same here. >> >> >> Felix (being active in the w3c i18n activity for some time). >> >> >> 2011/9/8 Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> >> >> >> I see this as a general Web issue, not a Linked Data issue. Presumably >> Linked Data will follow Web practice. >> >> kc >> >> >> >> Quoting Tom Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de>>: >> >> All, >> >> It has been brought to my attention that our report neglects to >> acknowledge a >> need for library linked data to consider a growing requirement for >> non-Latin-based URIs -- i.e., Internationalized Resource >> Identifiers, or IRIs >> [1]: >> >> "Since resource identifiers play a crucial role for the Semantic >> Web, the >> internatinalization of resource identifiers is of high importance. >> It turns >> out that the prevalent resource identification mechanism on the >> Semantic >> Web, i.e. URIs, are not sufficient for an efficient >> internationalization of >> knowledge bases. Fortunately, with IRIs a standard for >> international >> resource identifiers is available, but its support needs much more >> penetration and homogenization in various semantic web technology >> stacks. >> In addition, we review various RDF serializations with regard to >> their >> support for internationalized knowledge bases. The paper also >> contains an >> in-depth review of popular semantic web tools and APIs with regard >> to their >> support for internationalization. " >> >> I'm not aware that anyone raised this during the comment period, >> but now that >> it has been raised at the eleventh hour, I think we need to find a >> way to >> acknowledge this -- perhaps in an additional sentence or half >> sentence in the >> Recommendations section [2]. >> >> Tom >> >> [1] http://iswc2010.semanticweb.__**org/pdf/385.pdf < >> http://iswc2010.semanticweb.**org/pdf/385.pdf<http://iswc2010.semanticweb.org/pdf/385.pdf> >> > >> [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/__**Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft___** >> recommendations_page_take2#__**Create_URIs_for_the_items_in__** >> _library_datasets<http://www.w3.org/2005/__Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft___recommendations_page_take2#__Create_URIs_for_the_items_in___library_datasets>< >> http://www.w3.org/2005/**Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_** >> recommendations_page_take2#**Create_URIs_for_the_items_in_** >> library_datasets<http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2#Create_URIs_for_the_items_in_library_datasets> >> > >> >> -- >> Tom Baker <tom@tombaker.org <mailto:tom@tombaker.org>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 <tel:1-510-540-7596> >> m: 1-510-435-8234 <tel:1-510-435-8234> >> >> skype: kcoylenet >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Felix Sasaki >> Senior Researcher, Language Technology Lab >> DFKI GmbH, Alt-Moabit 91c, 10559 Berlin, Germany http://www.dfki.de < >> http://www.dfki.de/> >> >> phone: +49-30-23895-1807 (fax: -1810) >> ------------------------------**------------------ >> Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer Kuenstliche Intelligenz GmbH >> Firmensitz: Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern >> Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster >> (Vorsitzender), Dr. Walter Olthoff >> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes >> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313 >> >> Register for the W3C MultilingualWeb Workshop! >> Limerick, 21-22 September 2011 >> http://multilingualweb.eu/__**register<http://multilingualweb.eu/__register>< >> http://multilingualweb.eu/**register <http://multilingualweb.eu/register> >> > >> >> > > -- Prof. Dr. Felix Sasaki Senior Researcher, Language Technology Lab DFKI GmbH, Alt-Moabit 91c, 10559 Berlin, Germany http://www.dfki.de phone: +49-30-23895-1807 (fax: -1810) ------------------------------------------------ Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer Kuenstliche Intelligenz GmbH Firmensitz: Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender), Dr. Walter Olthoff Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. 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